Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertha van Hasselt


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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Bertha van Hasselt

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Oldest living Dutch person for FOUR WHOLE DAYS! Article completely devoid of content about the subject except for birth and death dates (sourced to unreliable crowdsourced site), city where she born, and year she moved to a nursing home. EEng (talk) 04:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The three sources are Dutch which isn't fatal but they aren't particularly significant coverage of any length and likely just WP:ROUTINE obituary-style reporting. The first I think is dead, the second (translated) tells us almost nothing as is the third (translated). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Also note that List of Dutch supercentenarians gives you a better idea of the pointlessness and complexity to prove her claim that she was the oldest living Dutch person for four days. While not organized ideally, the oldest living person in that year were Catharina H. Peters-Keultjes (died 20 March 2009 at just above age 111), then Johanna H.M.C. Boost-Dalloyaux (died 1 June 2009 at 110 years and quite a bit) and then Grietje Jansen-Anker (at 13 October 2009 just past 112). Then van Hasselt was the oldest living person (allegedly) until she died on October 17, 2009. It's not clear who was the next oldest but it seems like it may have been Cornelis Jacobus Geurtz who died on 21 August 2012 at age 110 and 109 days but he would have been 107 and change when van Hasselt died (he was only five months younger) but it's possible that there were others who died between 107 and 110 and thus wouldn't be in the GRG charts. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm not seeing evidence of the type of coverage that would satisfy WP:N and justify a stand-alone article, and there is no obvious merge/redirect target. Canadian   Paul  06:42, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough detail for an article, and poor sourcing for a claim to being oldest in NL. Is this oldest for 4 days thing an OR claim by Wikipedia, GRG or some real authority like the Govt? (Sorry hard to translate everything on this device). I am really liking her 'predecessor' title holder - who told the media to stay away from her and the town mayor he could not bring a cake to her birthday party. No exploitation for amusement of this old women! and her article, written in the same formula, is going to AfD too. Legacypac (talk) 13:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * See my links above in my first comment. The claim is based on the second source here. The GRG has no involvement since she never lived to age 110 when they take note. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ya, not enough. Even her sister was older, but happened to live across the border in Belguim. Legacypac (talk) 14:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


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