Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertinazzi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After further research, the consensus was clearly keep. Subsequent to the keep, will move the article to Carlo Bertinazzi. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 19:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Bertinazzi

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Delete: thoroughly non-notable as actor. Confused joke of an article. Quis separabit? 03:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Hmm. Searching under his full name (Carlo Bertinazzi), it seems he has an (albeit stubby) Italian Wikipedia article, an entry in the Oxford Companion to the Theatre (subscription only though sadly), and is the subject of a porcelain relief in the MOMA. Reserving an opinion on deletion for know, but these snippets suggest there might be more out there, so I'm willing to be swayed. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, move and improve. The naming of the article doesn't help when looking for sources, and presumably defeated the nominator - modern sources tend to refer to the subject as Carlo Bertinazzi (or even by his full name of Carlo Antonio Bertinazzi), and his contemporaries often seem to have referred to him just as Carlin. The subject was apparently one of the major comic actors of the mid-18th century, regularly playing the part of Harlequin at the Comédie-Italienne for several decades from 1741. Specialist theatrical encyclopedias standardly seem to give him a short entry (for instance, this one), he gets a lengthy entry in Treccani, and there is a very substantial earlier account of him by Maurice Sand (available through GBooks here). Note that his supposed correspondence with Clement XIV, which tends to appear towards the top of searches, is an early 19th century spoof (though possibly drawing its inspiration from anecdotes told by Bertinazzi himself). PWilkinson (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong keep and move as above, the extensive entry in Treccani alone would be sufficient to justify an entry in WP. In addition of sources above, he was the subject of several biografies, such as Carlo Bertinazzi, dit Carlin by Pierre Nicolle and Simone Cusenier and more recently L'ultimo Arlecchino del re by Gianna Paola Tomasina. I see tons of reliable sources in Google Books, including several encyclopedias. The current title is inappropriate and somewhat misleading, anyway. Cavarrone 09:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep if and only this can actually be improved as there are no current obvious signs of it and if not, simply delete for now. SwisterTwister   talk  07:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * SwisterTwister, it is obvious it "can actually be improved" if you only care to read the comments (and the sources) above yours. Stop disrupting the AfD process with such stupid comments. Cavarrone  07:40, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. As per the stuff that I found, and the more stuff + comments of others above. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 12:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.