Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertrand Traoré


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The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Bertrand Traoré

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I initially de-PRODded, but after discussion at my talk page and WP:FOOTY, I've concluded that an AfD is probably a good idea.

Having struggled to find more mainstream sourcing from the french media or the usual statistical channels, I guess there are two questions. Is leberry.fr a reliable source? And if it is, does Bertrand's 20 minutes for Burkina Faso make him notable? —WFC— 22:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 22:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as original PRODder. Since the PROD was contested, and since WFC and I have discussed the matter on his talk page, I have been in two minds about this player's notability, and am now edging towards delete. My main issue is verifiability - all we have to confirm the claim to notability (i.e. playing 20 minutes at international level) is one source of questionable reliability. Even if he did play, we don't know if the match in which he played was an officially sanctioned, senior full A-team game i.e. was it legit? The lack of sources about both the match and the player have got my spider senses tingling; I mean, we don't even know what club this guy plays for! There were reports from The Sun (notorious for its lack of reliability) in August 2010 saying he had signed for Chelsea, but in January 2011 the BBC (much more trustworthy) confirmed that had still not signed for the club. There is also no mention of him on Chelsea's otherwise comprehensive official player profile site, and no news story from Chelsea about his international appearance - strange, as you would have thought that they would have raved (well, at least mentioned) one of their young "superstars" making a senior international debut at the age of just 15! GiantSnowman 23:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - research + improvements to the article have now verified the claim to notability (i.e. being a senior international footballer), although I still have concerns at this player's club status - Facebook is NOT a reliable source! GiantSnowman 02:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Le berry (it's also the same content as "Le Populaire") is not the only source confirming he played for Burkina Faso Also, FIFA.com lists the friendly game — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigJagielka (talk • contribs) 00:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition, this video from Orange Foot (sponsors of the AFCON) interview him, he talks about life at Chelsea: 10:40 seconds onwards — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigJagielka (talk • contribs) 01:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This interview, published 4 days ago confirms he is at Chelsea — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigJagielka (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - As a Burkinabé international, he clearly passes WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - As per the last comment, as a Burkinabé international, he passes WP:NSPORT and specifically WP:NFOOTY. TonyStarks (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notability seems to now be established, check out the references in the article that establish topic notability. Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – The topic passes notability guidelines per WP:BIO, notability for people, specifically the section WP:BASIC, “A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.” If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.” The topic passes WP:BIO, section WP:BASIC due to the availability of multiple independent sources which demonstrate notability and the manner in which the sources are not comprised of trivial coverage. Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:09, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * I am satisfied that this person has played an official game of senior international football, that this is adequately sourced, and that this is considered by the community to warrant an article. In ordinary circumstances I'd withdraw, but while we've got people's attention on the article, I still have concerns over the sourcing. Burkina24 states that he is 17, which is clearly at odds with the statement that he turned 16 this month. And I cannot believe that no English source of equal quality and relevance to the French ones can confirm him being at Chelsea. Any ideas on where to look to clear these details up? —WFC— 12:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't find his name at all on the Chelsea website (searched it through Google) and he's not listed in their Academy or Reserve squads. However, I did find this from when he signed with the club as a 14-year old: . TonyStarks (talk) 07:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Any and all reports saying he signed for Chelsea in August 2010 are false; the BBC (super trustworthy) reported in January 2011 that he still hadn't signed. I don't think he ever did, hence his complete (and suspicious) absence from their website. GiantSnowman 13:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. As a Burkinabé international. Playing for your national team at 15 is quite extraordinary. Great work on the sourcing. I did see that he played and scored for Chelsea's under-18 team in a pre-season match, but it wasn't from a reliable source so it can't go in. I thought Chelsea would be all over this story, to be honest. Argyle 4 Life  talk  21:29, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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