Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Best I Ever Had (State of Shock song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Life, Love & Lies. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Best I Ever Had (State of Shock song)

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Non-noticeable song by a rather non-noticeable band. Song was played lots in Canada back in 2008,2009,2010 and occasionally in 2011,2012,2013,2014 but largely because of Canada's unique radio content rules called CanCon that requires 35% percent (percentage can increase depending on the hour of the day) of songs played on Canadian radio stations. Cancon often plays Canadian artists/bands that are not noticeable even in Canada or songs by both noticeable/relatively noticeable/non-noticeable artists/bands that re non-noticeable. I know this because I listen to Canadian stations almost everyday as I live in Red Deer, Alberta and I listen not just Red Deer or Alberta stations, I listen stations from nationwide, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax, Whitehourse, Vancuover, you name it and since 2014 I have never heard this song. That is 3 years not being played on Canadian stations meaning it has largely lost it's noticeability even within Cancon. --Carrie Fisher Eternal Legacy (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC) — Carrie Fisher Eternal Legacy (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete: Fails GNG and NSONGS after checking notability. And, this is called notability not noticebility. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 15:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - The article currently asserts, with source backing it, that it hit #25 on the Canadian charts? Charting that high on a National chart is usually a good indicator of notability. The album it came from apparently was certified Gold too. Is there really not sourcing out there? Sergecross73   msg me  16:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, Keep, I was able to find this source confirming this song did hit #25 on top 100 in Canadian. The issue with source finding here is that "Best I Ever Had" is a very common phrase, but it is the Drake song Best I Ever Had (Drake song) which over shadows this song making source finding very difficult.  Valoem   talk   contrib  16:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment There should be better sources to keep this. A HighBeam search found  which might be helpful. The charting reference in the article worked for me. Gab4gab (talk) 19:14, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong source giving the song significant coverage, not to mention I just noticed the nominator is an SPA with no other contributions, so I've changed my vote to Keep. Valoem   talk   contrib  20:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Valoem, Some important things you need to understand is that even though this did hit #25 on top 100 in Canada, that was 9 years ago and since it's popularity and notability has severely died down. It may have notable but only for a time. It was played occasionally after 2008 for about 4/5 years but life has now moved on from this song. Last time I have heard this song on a Canadian station (I listen tones of Canadian stations from all 13 provinces and territories. This song was only popular in Canada) was about 2012/2013. That gives the fact that it's been around 5 years since this song could even be called unpopular but notable. After this song's heyday in 2008 so speaking liked mid to late 2009, and 2010 I talked with my family and friends (most who live in Canada) and only about 25% would recognize this song and now that it is 8/7 years later that number is even less. Plus this song's temporary notability was only for Canada and most people who use English Wikipedia are not Canadians. Extraordinarily few Americans, British, Australians, Irish, or anywhere in the English speaking World or by foreign language people who do speak English would this song be listened let alone looked up on Wikipedia. --Carrie Fisher Eternal Legacy (talk) 03:19, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Popularity may come and go but Wikipedia notability is not temporary. See WP:NTEMP which says "Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." Gab4gab (talk) 11:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a directory of "currently popular" things. There is no such thing as "used to be notable but isn't anymore" — if a thing was ever genuinely notable enough for a Wikipedia article, then it stays notable enough for a Wikipedia article until the end of time unless our basic standards for what constitutes "notable enough for a Wikipedia article" evolve past it. Bearcat (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Life, Love & Lies. Even a song that charted can still not qualify for a standalone Wikipedia article if we can't reliably source considerably more substance about the song than this, and a song is not exempted from having to pass WP:GNG just because it technically attained a chart position. Nominator's argument is completely wrongheaded about this — if notability is properly established by reliable sources, then we don't care a whit whether it was attained last week, last year, last decade, last century or last millennium. What's determinative here is the lack of sourcing to properly support that it ever warranted its own standalone article in the first place, not whether the song is still played on the radio as much as it used to be. Bearcat (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947  22:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


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