Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bethenny & Fredrik


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Bethenny & Fredrik

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Apparently non-notable reality TV show. In the face of the creator's assertion that "every show deserves a Wikipedia page", I see myself going back and forth on the redirect with them, so I'd rather have this formalized... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep – or at the very most, redirect to List of programs broadcast by Bravo. Bethenny & Fredrik has independently notability from publications such as People, Architectural Digest, Entertainment Tonight, The Washington Post, Common Sense Media, and much more. There is absolutely no need for a total delete on a page like this. Carbrera (talk) 20:46, 11 August 2018 (UTC).
 * Keep as there appears to be enough coverage from third-party, reliable sources. Through a very brief Google search, I can see several potential sources here. I agree with Carbrera's comment above. Aoba47 (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, for now. Most sources here (and ghits) are recycled Bravo press releases about its premiering. That doesn't give any notability cred, by television notability and MOS standards. I added viewership numbers, which seem about average for Bravo, but, again, doesn't give this standalone article credibility. There are also rumors that Fredrik doesn't want to continue this series, due to several factors, so this AfD will most likely be revisited again, if kept but not satisfactorily expanded. —  Wylie pedia  @ 11:12, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More analysis of the substance of the sources would be helpful in determining consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (talk) 09:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete WP:TNT needs application to this article unless someone rescues it; first source is PR, the other seven are just ratings. A mention of the show on the Bethenny Frankel might be justified, but if it's not getting a second season, there's no point of retaining it anywhere but as a redirect to List of programs broadcast by Bravo.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, w umbolo   ^^^  10:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - National network series. And the sources linked by Carbrera easily demonstrate passing WP:NOTABILITY.  TNT is only for completely hopeless articles and even in those cases an article can be reduced back to a stub.  This article basically is a stub. --Oakshade (talk) 02:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage such as is sufficient.  The article is a stub (and may always remain one), being a stub is not a reason for deletion. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 18:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.