Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bethesda Presbyterian Church (Edwards, Mississippi)


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The result was   keep. A quick check of the possible copyvio pointed out by does look troubling, but that's fixable by normal editorial attention -- RoySmith (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Bethesda Presbyterian Church (Edwards, Mississippi)

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Contested prod. This is not a notable church, since age doesn't confer notability. (In any case, there are thousands of churches in many other countries much older than this one that are not notable.) StAnselm (talk) 19:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Just like this article Articles for deletion/Knox Presbyterian Church (Harrison Township, Michigan) got deleted, I think this one should too. This article doesn't follow IMPORTANCE and nobody really knows about this outside of Edwards, Mississippi...... BrandonWu (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't see or participate in that AFD, and can't see the former content of the article. It seems from comments that there was not sufficient documentation in that article or available to be added;  here may be different. -- do  ncr  am  03:21, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I added three references to that article, and removed the unreliable references. The Detroit Free Press does not have online archives for 1922 to 1999, so we don't know what else is available online; but it would be a surprise for a church this large and with this much history to not have any additional press coverage in a Detroit library.  Since the topic has been brought up, here are four sources as captured from a Google cache of the deleted article:
 * Wes White (3 December 2010). "Founding EPC Church in Detroit departs for the PCA; joins Great Lakes Presbytery". The Aquila Report. Retrieved 2014-02-14. "In 1915, the mission was officially organized as Knox Presbyterian Church. The Church continued to grow and went through several buildings and locations."
 * Marie Ling McDougal (2002). Harrison Township, Michigan. Arcadia Publishing. p. 66. ISBN 978-0-7385-1925-8. Retrieved 2014-02-14. "In July of 1980, the congregation withdrew from the United Presbyterian Church in the USA and became a charter member of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church."
 * "Portfolio Pages, Knox Evangelical Presbyterian Church". Merritt Cieslak Design. Retrieved 2014-02-14. "the new facilities...included a 450 seat multi-purpose room...The design of the facility was intended to compliment the existing building..."
 * "Detroit Free Press Archives. Church replicates temple from Bible. Abstract.". www.freep.com. 30 August 2006. Retrieved 2014-02-15. "More than 200 members of the Knox Presbyterian Church spent the summer building a replica of the Tabernacle of Moses..."


 * Keep. It seems to have some historical importance, being so old (old for the United States, and older still for Mississippi which was not widely settled until later than the eastern states), and it is documented as 48th out of 50 oldest PCA churches in the United States.  It is older than the oldest Presbyterian church building in Mississippi that is listed yet in Wikipedia article List of Presbyterian churches in the United States.  And, there is book listed at Amazon: The history of the Bethesda Presbyterian Church in Hinds County, Mississippi: A discourse ... delivered ... December 22, 1878, Synod of Mississippi, Presbytery of Central Mississippi] having Unknown Binding – January 1, 1879, by Joseph A Graves (Author).  Note Edwards is in Hinds County.  That seems like a significant, legitimate source, not yet obtained or cited in the article. -- do  ncr  am  03:18, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment Some text is probably too closely paraphrased from . The editor has a history of copyright violations. Dougweller (talk) 18:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The analogy with the Knox Church deletion is incorrect. That church was founded in 1913 in Michigan, and is not in any way exceptional or particularly historic. This church was founded in Mississippi a century earlier, and was an exceptionally early church of its denomination in the region. It's therefore of historic interest.  DGG ( talk ) 02:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a historic church in Mississippi, founded in the 1800s. talk
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