Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betty Ong


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The result was   keep. JForget 00:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Betty Ong

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While there is certainly Google hits/newspaper results and the like these are obviosuly only down to Ong's coverage from 9/11. I see no information other than what happened aboard flight 11 with the exception of memorials which, because memorials are common for people that have passed away, do not necessarily denote notability. Any information that can't be merged into the Flight 11 article isn't necessary.  raseaC talk to me 02:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Saeed al-Ghamdi is a similar person but much less notable. Just a passenger with terrorist ties that died. JB50000 (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. there are quite a few non-notable 9/11 biographies out there that should be considered for deletion as well. I note there was no consensus on a deletion of Ong four years ago: Articles_for_deletion/Various_9/11_casualties --Mkativerata (talk) 04:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This person, Ong, was a character on a movie about 9/11 but 99% of other victims were not portray in that movie because Ong is notable. Also, there is a Betty Ong Day now as mentioned in the article but 99.9% of others do not have such a day because Ong is notable.
 * Ong keep as notable, al-Ghamdi delete Besides, Ong was kept in a previous deletion application so this is a settled matter. JB50000 (talk) 06:54, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * She wasn't kept, it was no consensus.  raseaC talk to me 14:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I know of only a few 9/11 names and I've heard of her. She did something as a flight attendant on the American Airlines flight that hit the WTC.  She and Todd Beamer are among the notable people of 9/11.  Wikipedia covers the dead terrorists (is hijacker #15 and 16 really so notable?  No, just Atta and al-Shehhi are the notable ones) so they shouldn't hold the victims to a higher standard, especially the more notable victims. John Obamo (talk) 06:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There is enough coverage beyond the "one event" restriction as there continues to be honors. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both. The event is so significant that many of those who played roles in it are notable. Betty Ong is notable because of her role in passing on information about what was going on aboard a hijacked aircraft. I would also accept all of the hijackers as individually notable as well as collectively notable. Sam Blacketer (talk) 13:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * CommentIf she's notable for what happened on the flight then surely the info is more suited to the flight's article?  raseaC talk to me 14:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Henri Paul is similarly notable in my estimation. I created both in response to wiki links from other articles. -- ke4roh (talk) 20:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP As notable small part of 9/11 history.--  R. Mutt 1917    Talk  20:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:BIO and WP:RS. Warrah (talk) 20:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, sufficient reliable source references available to pass notability per WP:BIO. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  —RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep -- as User:MacGyverMagic said last time, she is notable for her: role in providing the outside world with info about the hijack. Plus she was portrayed, by name, in a docudrama about the hijacking.  Viewers of that docudrama should be able to turn to the wikipedia to see how closely the docudrama corresponded to what verifiable sources say.  Geo Swan (talk) 23:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.