Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betty Sutherland (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Betty Sutherland
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It appears that the most notable thing about this city-level politician is a trail that was named after them and that bears a plaque with a short biography. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG, certainly doesn't make WP:NPOL.There don't appear to even be any verifiable sources reporting when (if?) Sutherland died. The previous AfD had a fairly strong consensus for deleting what appears to have been a similar article, but given the various minor claims to notability (the plaque and trail, being among the first women elected to a given position, etc.) I figured it was better to have a full deletion discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 22:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Merge, then redirect There are articles about her husband and her son. Merge the info over to there. BTW, I find a LOT of Betty Sutherland hits on Newspapers.com, but I'm not sure if they are the same person. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I will acknowledge that I was the nominator the first time, but this article isn't much of an improvement. Serving on North York city council is not a notability freebie just because North York got amalgamated into Toronto 12 years after the end of her term — she does not get retroactively reclassified as a global city councillor for the purposes of NPOL #2, but still has to clear the same "special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors" test as any other run of the mill city councillor. Having a piece of municipal infrastructure named after her does not do that, however — at a guess, about half of everybody who'd ever served on any municipal council anywhere would get an instant inclusion freebie if having had a street or a park or a hiking trail or a public building named after them were all it took. Notability is not inherited, so having been related to more notable people doesn't help — and even her husband's notability is actually debatable, since he doesn't pass the global city test either. And there's not nearly enough substantive or reliable sourcing here to claim that she passes WP:GNG, either — five of the seven footnotes are either photographs or primary sources, so they're doing absolutely nothing to help make her notable at all, and one of the remaining two is just a glancing namecheck of her existence in an article about Mel Lastman. That leaves just one source that's both reliable and substantively about her to count for something — but one source is not enough to singlehandedly GNG a suburban city councillor all by itself, because every municipal councillor everywhere can always show one source. So no, there's still not enough here to get her over the bar. Bearcat (talk) 22:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom and User:Bearcat. While saving an historic 1865 building is noble the can of worms that every councilperson with local coverage deserving an article is too broad. Otr500 (talk) 06:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails NPOL and GNG (in terms of a significant source doing an article on her). Britishfinance (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


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