Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betws, Anglesey


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The result was   delete, though I am happy to userfy if anyone wants to keep looking. Mojo Hand (talk) 20:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Betws, Anglesey

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There is nothing on the map at the coordinates given here (although the location is in Anglesey). With no references and no content, it is impossible to verify that this is not made up. ubiquity (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, An AfD started within seven minutes of a page's creation? How much WP:BEFORE did you conduct? What WP:ATD did you consider? Did you consider contacting the creator first and seeing if they were still working on it? Did you consider a notability tag or request for assistance at the appropriate Wikiproject? Boleyn (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Although I agree with what I've said above, I've just read it back and relaised how harsh it sounds. After all, I have rushed the creation. Boleyn (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Boyleyn, I'm very sorry if I jumped the gun here. However, I did go through the steps in WP:BEFORE. I like articles on geography, and often attempt to repair them when I can. But this place does not appear on the map, and I could find no indication that it exists at all. When I googled "Betws Anglesey", I found nothing except references to Betws-y-Coed, which already has an article. The broken formatting, the total lack of content, and the lack of corroborating evidence gave me the idea that this was made up. My apologies if this is not the case, but maybe it would be better to keep the article in Draft: mode until there's more "there" there? ubiquity (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * delete poking around on various maps I think I've found what it's referring to at "Llanbadrig, Betws Council Houses", which if you Google it finds a bus-stop on the A5025 near some houses, around 53.414467, -4.417393. But Llanbadrig is a village already with an article. A row of three or four houses in a village, or a bus stop, is not worthy of a separate article except in very rare cases (such as the houses being listed buildings).-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 15:32, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think it refers to a council housing estate. I actually moved this from Betws disambiguation page, where it gave too much info for a disambiguation page. The references it gave are here: Domesday Maps website, The place names of England & Wales, by Rev. James B. Johnston] but I can't find anything useful in either. I've also added a couple of potentially useful external links,  and . It exists and has a listed building, but I can't verify more than that, so have struck out my vote for the time being. Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The one link that seems to actually have content, this one, refers to an entirely different place, a Grade II listed farmhouse near the east shore of Anglesey, while Llanbadrig is to the north. It doesn't strike me as especially notable though. To me (and this is entirely my own view, I've not read it anywhere) Grade I listed tend to be exceptional examples of local architecture and so often worthy of their own article but Grade II listed are far more mundane and rarely independently notable unless for some other reason, such as being historically important. Of course it's impossible to tell from this article which doesn't even identify the settlement/row/farmhouse in question and does nothing to establish its notability.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 16:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 19:05, 3 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

comment I should add one thing I found (my knowledge of Welsh being very limited) while searching for this and looking at other things called Betws, it's just Welsh for chapel, or prayer house. A small place of worship basically. So when someone writes "Betws" on the map it may just mean [a] chapel, like we use words and symbols on a modern map to show such features. Some of the places listed in this version of Bettws are notable settlements such as Betws-y-Coed but it looks like at least some aren't.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 00:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete it appears to be only a farm, and sources don't provide much information about it; the location and inline citation are for two different farms with the same name and the external link is unlikely to be relevant as the grid reference is inconsistent with the latitude and longitude - the farm near Llanbadrig is at SH3993, for which the correct link would probably be http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11372258. Peter James (talk) 22:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


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