Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beyond Coma and Despair


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure)    Kadzi    (talk) 09:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Beyond Coma and Despair

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete or at least Redirect to Burgerkill and possibly salt to make sure it's not restored again: fails WP:NALBUM as the only reliable source is the RS Indonesia one, and it can't be checked to see if it contains anything other than a placing on a list. The redirect for this article was restored because I nominated Template:Burgerkill (the navbox at the bottom of this article) for deletion, and another editor opposed the deletion, saying that the article for this album had been incorrectly redirected and that the sources were reliable... they aren't, they are a defunct MySpace site, a link to the band's website (also dead), and a link to a catalog listing on a metal blog with user ratings, and no text. Richard3120 (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I found some reliable sources which talk about the album: DCDC, Sputnik Music, Suara Mahasiswa and Detik News. With these, the article is good enough to pass WP:NALBUM. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 08:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Except they don't say anything about the album at all. The Djarumcoklat and Suarahasiswa articles are identical, so they are either a press release or websites reproducing news from elsewhere, and they simply talk about the album being released on vinyl eight years after its original release on cassette and CD, because the guitarist says the fans demanded it, and it states the places where you can buy the vinyl version from. The Detik News website is news of an auction where the tour poster, the bass guitar used on the album, and a pair of boots that featured on the cover were sold off – no information at all about the album. And the Sputnikmusic review can be immediately discounted because it's a user review, and that's not acceptable, as stated by WP:RSMUSIC. Richard3120 (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The sputnikmusic.com entry is a user review and not a RS. Not sure if djarumcoklat.com, suaramahasiswa.info or suaramahasiswa.info are reliable sources. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:13, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Detik News is a reliable news outlet, I accept that, but I don't see how a news story about auctioning paraphernalia related to the album helps to establish notability for the album itself. Richard3120 (talk) 15:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D My Son  03:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  D My Son  05:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


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