Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beyond Reasonable Doubt (book)


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The result was   Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Beyond Reasonable Doubt (book)

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This has been tagged as a hoax, but I think it is just pre-publication advertisement. The author exists, but neither Amazon nor Google Books knows anything about his book: it clearly has not been published in any mainstream way, and so is not notable per WP:BK. There are COI issues - the article author seems to be the author of the book. If it is published and attracts enough comment to be notable, then someone else can write an article about it, but for now delete as non-notable and advertisement. JohnCD (talk) 08:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. The only google hits all seem to be self-published. If they're to be trusted, they indicate that it's going to be published on the 15th, so the "not yet published" guideline won't apply for long. But it still clearly doesn't meet the notability guidelines for books. FCSundae ∨  ☃   (talk) 09:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete several different searchses of news, books, amazon, google etc turn up nothing from independent/reliable sources, sounds like a conflict of interest and fails book notability guidelines. Atyndall93  |  talk  11:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't find anything on this book, so it fails WP:CRYSTAL at the least, probably WP:N as well. TN ‑ X - Man  11:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete as spam. Failing that, the book is almost certainly self published, since one press release seems to have been spammed everywhere but without any publisher listed, therefore the book fails verifiability, or at least RS. Furthermore, with no coverage whatsoever anywhere I can find, the book is manifestly NN. Debate (talk) 12:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. Lack of any references to this work suggests a possible WP:CRYSTAL situation, or a book that fails notability guidelines because it doesn't have sufficient distribution. A redlink author doesn't help its case, either. No predjudice against recreating the article if and when circumstances change. 23skidoo (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for all the reasons above. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 12:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: no WP:RS that this book has even been published -- no ISBN & no info on it from claimed (vanity press) 'publisher' (Xlibris). HrafnTalkStalk 13:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are a number of books that share this title. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 20:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately, not one of them is this one. Debate (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - Beyond Reasonable Doubt (different book, same title) was a landmark book in New Zealand legal history, and was made into a film Beyond Reasonable Doubt (film) - I suggest that what is here be deleted and the title turned into a redirect to either the film article or - possibly better - Harvey and Jeanette Crewe until such time as an article is written for that book. Grutness...wha?  01:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Blatant spam, and I can find no evidence that the author has offered a defense or explanation anywhere. --AnnaFrance (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 22:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Obvious spam. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 04:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


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