Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beyond The Grave


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Gungrave.  MBisanz  talk 02:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Beyond The Grave

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This character does not establish notability independent of the games and anime series. It is covered well enough within those articles, so it doesn't require separate coverage. TTN (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Purely in-universe reiteration of plot material; no established notability for this character outwith the series it is portrayed in. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.   -- Undead Warrior (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails WP:N, WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. Despite his being the primary character, there is not significant coverage on this character in reliable, third-party sources beyond mentions of his role in various plots. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * From the context, it looks like you dropped a "not" in there. Is that the case? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Woops...you are correct. Fixed. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete- It's essentially unsourced, and far too long per WP:PLOT. Reyk  YO!  22:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and trim down he is the main character in a popular series (Gungrave). The massive plot summaries have to go. JuJube (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I argue to keep as Wikipedia should have an article titled Beyond the Grave as it is the title of many books. --Elisabeth Rogan (talk) 06:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, what does that have to do with anything? None of those books have anything to do with this fictional character. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We are discussing what to do with Beyond The Grave. I am merely noting that there are books that share that title and so perhaps we should be considering having some kind of page that lists all of these books, something like Alexander (disambiguation) as the main Beyond The Grave page and make retitle this article as Beyond The Grave (character) as I am not sure if these books are more encyclopedic (however we define that term for a paperless encyclopedia) than the character and therefore what content would most appropriately be covered by an article titled Beyond The Grave.  Clearly something should be, but I am not sure which from these possibilites.  --Elisabeth Rogan (talk) 07:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That isn't really a possible outcome here. It will either be deleted, kept, merged to another article for the Gungrave series, or redirected to such an article. Completely replacing the article with a disambiguation page isn't something that would normally be done here at all. There are no other articles on Wikipedia this one is being confused with, so it doesn't need one. If there were going to be one, though, that page would be at Beyond the Grave (disambiguation), unless this page were deleted. We aren't just discussing an article titled "Beyond the Grave" but this specific article and its contents. For the books, WP:BK would be their notability guideline, but from the quick checking I did, none would meet those as they are mostly generic type books, unlikely to be best sellers or notable. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think so long as it is not an outright hoax, it should at worst be redirected as suggested above then. As for the books, so long as some reviews exist, then I imagine we can perhaps cover them in some manner, but please allow me some time to review that notability guideline you link to as well as those links suggested in that other discussion.  --Elisabeth Rogan (talk) 07:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Being a hoax isn't the only reason to delete an article. Articles that fail Wikipedia's notability guidelines (starts at WP:N, but there are also many subject ones like that book one) are subject for deletion as well. As are advertisement type articles, articles that violate copyrights, etc. Guide to deletion and Deletion policy are good reading for learning more about what type of content is subject to deletion and the various types of deletion and the processes for each method.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would agree that there are/should be other reasons than simply being a hoax (obviously we should also not cover anything that defames or libels someone in a slanted or obviously biased manner, for example), but the sense that I am getting as key is what we can verify in sources is "wikipedic", but again, please allow me a couple days or so to really familiarize myself with these links. --Elisabeth Rogan (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete long plot summary. Gungrave already has two paragraphs of plot summary, and it's easier to add new stuff there than to trim this article down. – sgeureka t•c 09:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: the only sources that could be found on google books are either primary sources, or the common phrase "beyond the grave" which don't focus on any specific topic. That's not enough to satisfy our notability guidelines. Randomran (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of sourcing, etc. Stifle (talk) 16:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to somehow redirect this page to Gungrave? --Elisabeth Rogan (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. Good idea. MuZemike (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Gungrave per above. Can be a plausible search term. MuZemike (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect as mentioned. This could n done without coming here in the first place. DGG (talk) 19:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to which, though? The video game or the anime series? As a random side note, it should be Beyond the Grave, with a small T in the various articles, not with a capital T. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Del/merge to main show article After a ridiculously vicious pruning. The NOT PLOT vio there is worse than in the enemy's article, and should be boiled down to a few simple lines. let people watch the show. ThuranX (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.