Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhagavad Gita (Yogananda)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 11:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Bhagavad Gita (Yogananda)

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None of the sources that are independant ("jharkhandstatenews", "telegraphindia") have any indepth coverage to meet WP:NBOOK/WP:GNG. I have not been able to find any indepth independant coverage. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:15, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Independant source as example San Diego Reader, The Telegraph (Calcutta), "Encyclopedia of Global Religion; University of California, Santa Barbara"--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 10:34, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * In the fast further source Taylor & Francis https://books.google.de/books?id=DCklDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&dq=%22Bhagavad+Gita%22+%22Yogananda%22&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdxtmJ7OzeAhWO_aQKHTY8AbsQ6AEIXTAI#v=onepage&q&f=false --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 10:54, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The sources don't have any indepth coverage on the book - just one or two sentences at most. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They have more.--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 11:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I think this has notability enough for a subsection of the main Bhagavad Gita article, but not more and certainly not enough for an entirely independent article -- Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 03:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Point three from Wikipedia:Notability (books)/ Criteria stand : "The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement." and in the Article from The Pioneer (India) : "President Ram Nath Kovind said spirituality is the soul of country and an important contribution to the world. "Releasing Hindi version edition of Swami Paramahansa Yogananda’s bestseller God Talks with Arjuna – The Bhagavad Gita" https://www.dailypioneer.com/2017/state-editions/spirituality-is-soul-of-india-president.html --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 06:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Matt14451 (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Paramahansa Yogananda and Bhagavada Gita as compromise.  Radhamadhab Sarangi   (Talk2Me&#124;Contribs) 13:48, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Selectively Merge to Bhagavada Gita. -- Softlavender (talk) 01:18, 10 December 2018 (UTC) Changed to Keep, below. Softlavender (talk) 05:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete - first, if kept, the title should be God Talks With Arjuna: The Bhagavad Gita. There are no substantial and independent references.  "Taylor & Francis" is a trivial mention of the book, and Telegraph India mentions that the book was released (just now?) with no further information (it's unclear to me whether Kovind was talking about this book or the Bhagavad Gita).  Other references are either to the book itself, or are background information about Paramahansa Yogananda that doesn't mention the book at all.  There's absolutely no reason to cram this guru's take into the article on Bhagavad Gita when there are no independent references about the book. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 03:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely should not be merged into Bhagavada Gita. (like merging some random pastor's book into the article on Bible) Redirecting to Paramahansa Yogananda, where the book is mentioned, is fine. Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree; the article on Bhagavada Gita has a section called Modern era commentaries, which already mentions the book; any further pertinent noteworthy cited information on it should go there. Softlavender (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no indication of any importance of this book - no independent references as power~enwiki explains; so there is no further noteworthy cited information, and that mention of that book in that section should be removed, as there are hundreds of books that could be mentioned if the standard is "any book" (and the book is published by Self-Realization Fellowship, Yogananda's own organization; so it is self-published essentially) Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've found a three-page review of the book in The Bhagavad-Gita for the Modern Reader: History, Interpretations and Philosophy (Routledge, 2017), which stresses the importance of Yogananda's interpretation: . It also gives the correct original publication date, which is 1995. -- Softlavender (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:NBOOK. After correcting the title to God Talks with Arjuna I have found at least three extensive reviews of the book in publications that are independent of the subject. So far: (1) A three-page review of the book in The Bhagavad-Gita for the Modern Reader: History, Interpretations and Philosophy (Routledge, 2017), which stresses the importance of Yogananda's interpretation: . (2) An extensive review in Yoga Journal: . (pp. 118–123). (3) A two-page review in the International Journal of Yoga Therapy: . There are other reviews also available, but it will take some further Googling to get the full reviews rather than snippet quotes. Softlavender (talk) 05:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Article has different reliable sources. Also, book was honored by Indian President. Yogananda as author have a other book listed at the "100 best spiritual books of the 20th Century"--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I have massively expanded and improved the article with a variety of independent reviews. It's now clear the book meets both WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG. Pinging, , and . The article still needs work and cleanup, but AfD is not cleanup, and it's clear the book meets notability thresholds. -- Softlavender (talk) 18:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Softlavender; there's enough sourcing now on the book (and not just on Yogananda) to meet NBOOK. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but massively revise. per Softlavender, the sourcing is there but I would contend that many of these are not RS and need to be supplemented with more authoritative (and more importantly) unbiased sources. Right now it reads like an advertisement, and that's unacceptable on the Wiki. It's not what articles here are for. Articles here are meant to be unvarnished unbiased looks at subjects, not an examination of how they have all "revolutionized the field" of yoga therapy... This is doubtless an exaggeration, but remains to be examined. -- Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 18:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Nowhere does anyone state that the book has "revolutionized the field" of yoga therapy. -- Softlavender (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per Softlavender's hard work. Agree with the "massively revise" suggestion of Shibbolethink, but AfD isn't for cleanup, so this requirement is not a part of my !vote (though still encouraged). --DannyS712 (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


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