Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhagawati Devi Sharma


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The result was merge to Shantikunj. There appears to be a general consensus against retention. However consensus ends there. In such cases it is my usual practice to go with the best available alternative offered in the discussion per WP:ATD. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Bhagawati Devi Sharma

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Fails WP:GNG, I can't find any reliable sources quoting her as a notable person, and based on the article,it might not be right to classify her as a "social reformer". Those who think this article shouldn't exist should also have a look at the articles edited by User:Anusut, seems to be a case of COI Daiyusha (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Shantikunj. There may be more sources for her specifically, but what I have found (not much in English; there may well be more in Hindi) is about her in relation to the spiritual organisation and her husband (eg Divine Enterprise: Gurus and the Hindu Nationalist Movement by Lise McKean (University of Chicago Press, 1996) ; an article in United News of India about the BJP national president, which includes that he paid tribute at the shrine to both husband and wife ). RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * @RebeccaGreen I am from India, and based on my experience here, i can say most if not all "reliable" "Indian" sources will always be in English, such is the importance English is given here, Only "local" news agencies will be in Hindi because Hindi is not the native language of about 50% of Indians. There are national-level hindi news agencies as well, but they(on their own) certainly don't qualify as "Reliable". And based on that opinion, I ignored any Hindi sites that come up as a search result. Either way, I know Hindi and if anyone who doesn't know it want help regarding translation of a hindi source, i'm happy to help. Daiyusha (talk) 16:05, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Thsmi002 (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:26, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge: Fails GNG. Confused about the rituals "....were to be performed without conducting any violence against a general perception of animal sacrifice.". A horse sacrifice without harming a horse? Otr500 (talk) 03:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: I do rather wish that there was a 'WP:Behind every great man stands a great woman'. That is, a lot of women in history may have done noteworthy work but only their husband gets mentioned in written sources. Anyway, I have found an academic source for this person running the All World Gayatri Pariwar after her husband's death (and a quick scholar.google.com search indicates that this is a notable organisation). And there's decent evidence for her editing the journal Akhand Jyoti. (I've added these points to the article lead.) These might be considered substantial enough achievements to meet GNG? It would be helpful to find proper references for her Veda commentaries as well. Alarichall (talk) 18:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * PS. it looks from p. 274 fn 15 of Daniel Philip Heifetz, 'From Gurudev to Doctor-Sahib: Religion, Science, and Charisma in the All World Gayatri Pariwar', Method & Theory in the Study of Religion, 30.3 (2018), 252-78 that his PhD thesis discussed the subject of this article in more detail and that he'll be publishing on her in future. Alarichall (talk) 19:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have seen a quite a few LDS-Church BLPs deleted this week on the basis that any of their references were specific only to sources from their own organisation (which was the right decision per WP policy).  This case would almost exactly meet that test; outside of her own followers, she is not notable.  There seems to be a few eastern "gurus" in the AfD queue that keep trying to get their articles on en-WP for some reason.  But outside very narrow sources (few of whom are RS), there is no material WP:GNG. Britishfinance (talk) 01:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have to be careful about using Merge or Redirect with these "gurus" as there is often a strong WP:COI aspect to their article creation (per this BLP Gaur Gopal Das), and I fear they will keep coming back.  I notice that nomination of this AfD also concerns WP:COI. Britishfinance (talk) 01:24, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


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