Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhai Fateh Singh Ji


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The result was keep. Bbb23 (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Bhai Fateh Singh Ji

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No reliable source covers the subject in detail and factual accuracy seems to be disputed. Redirect to Wazir Khan (Sirhind). TrangaBellam (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The Later Mughals by William Irvine (historian) (reviewed here, cited as a reference in this article at the time it was nominated, appears to be a reliable source. From his article: "William Irvine (4 July 1840 – 3 November 1911) was an administrator of the Indian Civil Service and historian, known for works on the Moghul Empire. He was in British India from 1863 to 1889." Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Raj-era sources are disallowed in these areas. Thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall that Raj-era sources are disfavoured with respect to some topics, such as castes, but I am unable to find where this is set forth in writing. I've tried looking at WP:DEPRECATED and the relevant wikiprojects but I would greatly appreciate a pointer. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, it is a longstanding practice but I am not really sure about the specifics of its evolution. If you need critiques of Irvine's historiography in contemporary scholarship, I can provide them. WP:HISTRS might be relevant. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * After some more digging, the closest on point discussion I could find is Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_172 which raises some good points. It would be helpful if these practices were recorded somewhere more easily found. In this specific case, the argument is likely moot as it appears the article in question was created by a previously blocked sockpuppet (User:Grayson Indica) and should probably be speedily deleted WP:G5 unless other editors contributions are deemed substantial. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 19:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sikhism-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as I'm inclined to agree with the fact there's still actual historic significance and substance therefore enough for an article showing this. VocalIndia (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sources matter. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. There appear to be post-Raj references cited, and more can be added. RomanSpa (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Like? TrangaBellam (talk) 15:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I see no reason why history written during the British Raj should be any less reliable than any other history written in the same period. Post-raj historians may well be pushing one POV and those of the Raj period another.  I am often wary of older British historians in dealing with some subjects, because we now know much more, but a historian dealing with something very specific will normally have had a source, even if he does not cite it.  This article is about quite specific events.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That says you don't know much about S. Asian historiography or WP:HISTRS. There are atleast four other reliable sources who mention that the victim was assassinated by someone else. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Fateh Singh (Sikhism). Bhai and Ji are terms of endearment. Thus, Bhai Fateh Singh Ji and Fateh Singh are the same person (the beheading is mentioned on Fateh Singh's page. Heartmusic678 (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC) Redirect per nom and 68.189.242.116's comment. Fails WP:G5 because the blocked user was not in violation. The user was not blocked until 3 minutes after making another substantial edit on August 19. Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I had considered this possibility, too, but this article purports to be about an adult commander who beheaded Wazir Khan (Sirhind) and died in 1716, who bore the same name as the child Fateh Singh (Sikhism) who was killed by Wazir Khan in 1705. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On WP:G5, while the sockpuppet account (User:Grayson Indica) was blocked after having created this article, the sockmaster acccount (User:Punjabier) was blocked in 2019 and banned in 2020, making any subsequent creations by this editor subject to deletion via G5. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep if G5 does not apply - subject has sufficient coverage in sources to meet WP:NBIO. However, based on the sockmaster being blocked in 2019, G5 might apply instead. MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


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