Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bharatiya Janata Party, Karnataka


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The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 08:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Bharatiya Janata Party, Karnataka

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The article fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 06:02, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep, but with a recommendation that this article needs significant improvement . Although the article appears to have a number of sources, most of them appear to have just been copied from the sources for article about Bharatiya Janata Party, the party's national organization, and don't specifically relate to this state unit. That said, however, the BJP is the largest political party in the Karnataka Legislative Assembly and thus leads the state government, in a state with more than 60 million people. A state party like that pretty much has to be notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. Via Google search it does not seem to me that the subject will pass WP:BRANCH. I think you will change your stand!S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 07:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Soman has already made significant improvement to this article since this AfD began. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, Unlike what Metropolitan90 stated, this is not a separate state party but a geographical wing of Bharatiya Janata Party and clearly WP:BRANCH should be applicable and the article does not pass its criteria to merit a standalone article. There is a lack of sources that merit an independent article. Most sources are passing mentions or WP:ROUTINE coverage of political events. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, doesn't merit a standalone article per WP:BRANCH, relevant information should be merged with Bharatiya Janata Party. Several major parties have substantial presence multiple states but it is does not merit individual articles for each state and is not the standard practice either. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 02:05, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, clearly the BJP Karnataka branch passes any GNG criteria easily. I think the question here is, in a (somewhat...) federal country like India, wouldn't there be a good potential for having articles on political parties by state level, as is the case with the 2 major U.S. parties (see Alaska Democratic Party or California Republican Party) or a number of Spanish parties? --Soman (talk) 14:35, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * India is not biparty system like US, so the comparison is not apple to apple. In any case the problem is lack of sources covering it independently in great detail. It can be kept if there are sources meeting WP:ORGCRIT -- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:53, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Believe me, it would be possible to dig up 100+ good references on BJP in Karnataka. Lack of sources isn't the problem. --Soman (talk) 15:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There is also provincial articles on all major parties in Canada, such as New Democratic Party of Manitoba or in Australia (such as Category:Australian Labor Party state branches). (Yes, I'm aware of WP:OTHERSTUFF, that's not the point i'm trying to make) --Soman (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I do believe you and just 5-10 good ones of those hundreds if presented here could convince the AfD. But WP:SOURCESMUSTEXIST and WP:OSE will not do.  D Big X ray ᗙ  15:45, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @ and, the article is now expanded. Whilst the article is far from finished, it has more material than before. --Soman (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems the Karnataka BJP did not pass WP:BRANCH as it seems it enlights coverage of contesting election of BJP in Karnataka, their . Some are BJPs activities for Karnataka. The third one migh cover some good work for the BJP article. But I think not enough for WP:BRANCH. The fourth one is very good work for Karnataka CM BSY not for Karnataka BJP. Some are sworning someone as serving as president, vice president etc. (I don't want to make it very long like previous discussion of Mr. X. I hope Soman and DBigXray will understand I am talking about which AfD.) In short words Karnataka BJP gets coverage for being the state unit of BJP. The coverages, scholar works are not enough for passing WP:BRANCH.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 04:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as a significant party of government, this article is undoubtedly about a notable topic. It's rival, the Karnataka Pradesh Congress Committee also has an article. --RaviC (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. Let the rival of X is Y. Y has an article. But, X can not claim that Y has an article but, why I don't have? And notability WP:NOTINHERITED. A thing should pass our notability criteria differently.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 03:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you saying BJP Karnataka state unit lacks notability? It is the governing party of a state with 60 million inhabitants, and polled over 13 million votes in the 2018 Karnataka Legislative Assembly election. --Soman (talk) 13:56, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In India, we can see losing MP even MLA candidates got a huge number of votes which amount are enough for becoming the president like Iceland, Maldives, Palau and so on. But their (losing candidate) articles were not kept for getting huge amount of votes. The subject (Karnataka BJP) gets some coverage for being a state wing of BJP. These are not enough for passing WP:BRANCH.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you are not reading WP:BRANCH correctly. WP:BRANCH is intended to avoid us having an article on every local branch of university fraternities, to avoid Wikipedia becoming a yellow pages. For politics there is an established practice on Wikipedia that regional bodies of major political parties may have separate articles, see Category:Democratic Party (United States) by state, National Party of Australia – Queensland, CDU Baden-Württemberg, Socialist Party of the Canaries, etc.. --Soman (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We should not compare those with India. Their political system is Two-party system. India's political system is not like that. In Punjab a Congress candidate can hope for his/her win. But, now-a-days in West Bengal, a Congress candidate usually thinks about his/her vote percentage so that he/she can save his/her security deposit. Same to BJP. In Uttar Pradesh BJP candidiate can hope for his win but in Tamil Nadu a BJP candidate usually thinks about his/her vote percentage so that he/she can save his/her security deposit. As per WP:BRANCH the sources presented here are not enough for passing WP:BRANCH (the reason I have mentioned earlier).S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 16:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * S. M., I understand you are saying that in India, a political party can be very prominent at the nationwide level while being a minor or insignificant party in certain states. I believe that. However, I don't know what that has to do with BJP in Karnataka. The BJP is the largest party in the Karnataka Legislative Assembly. If you want to say that we should not have an article about Bharatiya Janata Party, Tamil Nadu because the BJP has no seats in the legislative assembly there, I can understand that. But for Karnataka, I don't understand that. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:07, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the article fails WP:BRANCH. It has coverages for becoming the state wing of BJP, where the coverage of BJP is the main point, not Karnataka BJP. Yes, in Karnaraka BJP is in the CM seat. So, I am saying here the article will not pass our notability criteria per WP:BRANCH.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 02:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per and . KartikeyaS343 (talk) 08:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In case it was not clear by the comments earlier, I'd like to leave a Keep vote as well. --Soman (talk) 15:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete.Subject fails WP:BRANCH, WP:GNG and WP:ORG.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


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