Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bibliography of Thomas Jefferson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) - Flori4nK T A L K 00:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Bibliography of Thomas Jefferson

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Contrary to the article title, this isn't a list of books written Jefferson, but rather a list of books  him. As such, it runs afoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 14:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment WP:BIB has defined the notability for a stand-alone bibliography of this type as "For a bibliography on a topic to be notable, the members of that bibliography should be discussed as a group in reliable sources." While I haven't looked at this article yet, the practice is generally "Bibliography of XXXX" for works about something and "PERSON bibliography" for a list of somebody's works. There's a series of Bibliographies of U.S. Presidents and several others on people like Bibliography of Napoleon and Bibliography of Ramakrishna and Bibliography of Liliʻuokalani, but I am not aware of a clear guideline outside of a projectspace essay. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Per, this would be a wider concern than just one article. (Separately, I don't think this violates NOTDIRECTORY.) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator might want to check the meaning of bibliography. The top of the bibliography section lists four books on the bibliography of Jefferson. As such, this article is clearly warranted. This is not a violation of NOTDIRECTORY. There also exists a whole navbox of articles that are bibliographies of US presidents. SD0001 (talk) 10:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The !voter should really check their condescending tone, too. This argument would just as well apply to lists of phone numbers simply because many such lists have been published already.  As for the rest of it, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The analogy to phone numbers is nonsense, as is the invocation of OTHERSTUFF. I'm sorry but you're just exposing how superficial your understanding of the relevant policies are. Bibliographies are a type of lists, and WP:LISTN says, I quote, Notability of lists ... is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources .... There are whole books that discuss the bibliography of Jefferson:
 * Fitzgerald, Carol B. (1991). Thomas Jefferson: A Bibliography (Meckler's Bibliographies of the presidents of the U.S.) 400 pages; ISBN 978-0-88736-117-3; Book
 * Shuffleton, Frank (1983). Thomas Jefferson: A Comprehensive, Annotated Bibliography of Writings about Him, 1826–1980, 486 pages and Thomas Jefferson, 1981–1990: An Annotated Bibliography (New York: Garland Pub., 1992) 283 pages; ISBN 0824090780
 * The same is echoed by WP:BIB.
 * The existence of similar bibliographies shows solid precedent for having such articles -- that's not something to be dismissed as OTHERSTUFF, see WP:Some stuff exists for a reason. SD0001 (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:NOTDIR. Very few items are notable and such list does not warrant separate page. desmay (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- possibly as Bibliography on Thomas Jefferson. Bibliographies on notable topics are likely themselves to be notable.  This is however only likely to be needed when it is too extensive to be included in the bio- or other WP article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:NOTDIR. Very few items are notable and such list does not warrant separate page. desmay (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- possibly as Bibliography on Thomas Jefferson. Bibliographies on notable topics are likely themselves to be notable.  This is however only likely to be needed when it is too extensive to be included in the bio- or other WP article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per .  Java Hurricane  09:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP Category:Bibliographies of Presidents of the United States] and far more at Category:Bibliographies of people show how common these articles are. If you don't think Wikipedia should have such articles, discuss it somewhere.  Not every book listed here has its own article or is published by someone confirmed to be notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article.  Any inclusion criteria for the list should be discussed on its talk page.   D r e a m Focus  23:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep valid WP:LISTN vexatious nomination. Lightburst (talk) 01:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia has tons of Bibliographies on notable people, it's encyclopedic and helpful. But this page should be moved to Bibliography of works on Thomas Jefferson tho.★Trekker (talk) 21:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


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