Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Brother 2009 (UK)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Keeper   76  17:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Big Brother 2009 (UK)

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Per WP:CRYSTAL. Nothing much else to say, the series won't be airing for at least 10 months and another series is planned before then (its Wiki article has also been deleted - twice). See- Dalejenkins | 09:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Celebrity Big Brother 2009 (UK)
 * Articles for deletion/Celebrity Big Brother 2009 (UK) (2nd nomination)
 * and Articles for deletion/Big Brother 2008 (UK)
 * Delete This is far too early for the article, and goes against the articles policies created at Wikiproject Big Brother. »— Mikay —  talk  —  contribs  →  10:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Like Mikay said it is far too early for this article to be constructed. wait until the auditions in January 2009 before making the article.BountyHunter2008 (talk) 10:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep it is not too early for this article to be constructed. From WP:CRYSTAL #1, "should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. "  I believe that this TV series falls under that, due to the cited information about the sponsorship.  Information about the preparation for the series is documented to reliable sources, that the contestants will be selected in January 2009, five months away. -Malkinann (talk) 11:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep For same reasons as Malkinann, we know the show is going ahead and we know the auditions and selection process starts in a matter of weeks. I would also like to add a request for a Celebrity Big Brother 2009 UK article to be produced as this has been confirmed and is only a couple of months away. (90.205.46.67 (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC))
 * I thought IPs couldn't vote at AFD. Correct me if I'm wrong. Dalejenkins | 13:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of such a rule, and I can't find any mention of it in the deletion policy. They can't nominate things for deletion since they can't create pages. Olaf Davis | Talk 14:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no rule barring IPs. "It's a discussion, not a vote." (The closer does have discretion to give less weight to remarks from newcomers.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Just because its airing months away doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a page. It will just save a lot of hassle nearer the time. The reason CBB 2009 has been deleted is because it hasn't been officially confirmed yet, BB10 has. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.254.33 (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - announced TV series on a major network. Satisifies notability and avoids Crystal. 23skidoo (talk) 15:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - It was confirmed by Davina on the final of BB9 on Channel 4 (BBUK's Major TV Channel) (BlackpoolKickboxer2008 (talk) 17:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC))
 * Comment: It is all very well for some people to say that it has been confirmed, but without confirmation that it passed Wiki policies and guidlines, specifying which parts, IT WILL GET DELETED. Dalejenkins | 19:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I've specified which parts of WP:CRYSTAL I believe the article satisfies, could you please elaborate on which parts of WP:CRYSTAL you think it fails? Another part of WP:CRYSTAL it satisfies is the requirement for there to be something else to say about the show other than it will exist - e.g. The contestants will be chosen in January.-Malkinann (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer it to be deleted, but I'm sure it'll be kept. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Malkinann. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 04:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: It's all still trivial though isn't it? There are many things which have one or two statements which are confirmed, but the point is it's considerably early. The likelihood is that this article won't grow anymore until January, possibly even later.. which warrants it to be deleted, in my opinion. »— Mikay —  talk  —  contribs  →  16:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - why should it be deleted because it's unlikely to be expanded significantly until January or possibly the airing? The examples at WP:CRYSTAL (the Olympics and the election) are unlikely to be significantly expanded until when the event is over.  The article on this show is a stub, but it's a reliably sourced stub with potential to expand in the (relatively) near future.  In WP:NOEFFORT it says that articles should be assessed based on their potential - as the show has been confirmed to be in the works, I believe it has potential.  -Malkinann (talk) 20:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Fair enough, but it isn't the reliability of the article I'm questioning. The fact is that there is still another Celebrity series to go before the launch of this main series. If we have sources on this article which point to a contract renewed through to series eleven, then why doesn't somebody go ahead and create that article? Early is early, but it's almost a year before the actual series begins. »— Mikay —  talk  —  contribs  →  09:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The key thing is, can we say anything about the future series up to eleven other than the fact that they're probably going to exist? If not, WP:CRYSTAL doesn't support having an article for them.  This article has other information on the UK BB 2009 series (which isn't original research) so I believe we can have an article on it. -Malkinann (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CBALL. Stifle (talk) 08:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


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