Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Brother Australia 2007 highlights


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Big Brother Australia 2007 highlights

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These five pages are all "plot summaries" or "news reports" (where to draw the line with such programmes?), not encyclopedic articles on Big Brother seasons. Each of these accompanies a "normal" article on a BB season, but adds a bunch of in-universe / news facts. This fails WP:NOT (I don't know if there are any moresimilar pages, these are all the ones I know of). Fram (talk) 09:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Also nominated:
 * Big Brother 8 (U.S.) highlights
 * Big Brother 9 (U.S.) highlights
 * Big Brother 2007 (UK) weekly summary
 * Big Brother 2008 (UK) weekly summary


 * Keep all they are content forks which stop the main articles from bloating up too big. The same reason why the last four UK BB article also have Housemate lists, the two UK summaries have refs, and are in the exact same vein as the main articles themselves. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Being a content fork is not a reason to keep anything per se, the content has to be encyclopedic and worth keeping according to our guidelines and policies. Yes, including it in the main articles would bloat them. But then again, that's not what I suggested. Not having the information at all would not harm the main articles one bit. Fram (talk) 09:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then you may as well delete the main articles, these simple summaries lifted out of the articles when they get too large. They are similar to episode lists for other TV programs. As they are sourced they don't fail WP:V, the sources (for the UK article at least) are RS. Other than you not liking them (as shown by the scare quotes above) I don't see a valid reason to delete. If you look at the first UK Big Brother you will see a weekly summary, for the last four season this has simple been separated out. As you are not being specific I'm assuming you are leaning on Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information but this list is specific in it's scope. Unless you want to redirect and merge but then that would mean the articles would become massive, I'm not sure what you want to be done, after all the first four UK BB article have this information, just in the body of the articles. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am leaning on WP:NOT and WP:NOT, that's why I referred to plot summaries and news reports obviously. And I can only list for deletion separate articles, not sections in articles, that's why this discussion is only for these five articles. Fram (talk) 09:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So you are happy for these sections to exist within the articles but not as content forks which prevent the articles from rising to 100k each? Because if that is the case then I don't see a strong enough reason for deletion. I hate WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but these are nothing more than episode lists that most TV programmes have. If you delete this information then it will only have to be put back in to the articles for each program year, and then that will incur a "Long" tag, and then someone will end up re-creating them as content forks. I can't see this deletion process helping the overall good of the encyclopedia. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "So you are happy for these sections to exist within the articles"? I would appreciate it if you don't conclude things I haven't said at all. This is not the place to discuss these sections, this is articles for deletion. I am of the opinion that the current articles like Big Brother 2008 (UK) contain all the info we need, and that the rest is excessive detail. Fram (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   —Grahame (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   —Grahame (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete All This is precisely what WP:PLOT is for.  If the main article is too big and unwieldy, it's time to cut, not split. gnfnrf (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to their respective series articles (eg. Big Brother 2007 (UK) weekly summary to Big Brother 2007 (UK) etc). Dalejenkins | 13:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all as plotcruft. McWomble (talk) 13:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PLEASE NOTE that I suggested an alternative to the problem before, but it was opposed to on article talk pages. See User:Dalejenkins/BB9. Dalejenkins | 14:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as inherently failing WP:NPOV — who decides what's a highlight? Stifle (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think these should disappear completely, instead be re-worked back into the main article & trimmed or keep the article & trim. These aren't any different than the Episode Guides that most scripted TV shows have for listing episodes. I know that Big Brother 8 (U.S.) highlights & Big Brother 9 (U.S.) highlights include a bunch of random facts that shouldn't be included and could be removed. Or we should do as Dalejenkins suggests.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  17:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all The problem with all of these is that they'll simply turn into fansites with everybody adding their favorite moments from each seasons. IRK! Leave me a note or two 18:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete All, basically a huge plot summary. Would be happy with perhaps an extremely condensed version being re-integrated back into the main TV show article though.  As User:Stifle has also pointed about above, there are NPOV problems here; because "highlight" is a very subjective term.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 07:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Which is why the UK articles were moved to weekly summary. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I think they should be kept because they are similar to the episode guides scripted shows have which give a basic plot summary of the episode. The only difference here is these articles don't seperate into episodes instead it sums up multiple episodes in the week they aired. If these are deleted I can see anon IPs reformatting American Big Brother articles similar to how Survivor articles are. There should be guidelines set for these kind of pages since they are basically episodes guides to Big Brother which airs continuously for 24 hours during three months.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  01:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


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