Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big D Kuwait


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wikipedia is not a place for promoting yourself, even if doing so is otherwise difficult in your country.  Sandstein  04:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Trust me if I wanted to promote myself it wouldn't be in Wikipedia, so stop repeating that excuse of my deletion, I did not make the article for any sort of promotion, I made the article so people can find information and read my story when they google my name, I had reliable sources, and everybody in Kuwait and all my fans across the globe know I do not need Wikipedia to promote myself, I could use a famous music website such as www.worldstarhiphop.com for self-promotion, I actually discourage promotional artists according to my article, Note that I wanted to have a Wikipedia article because I know I deserve one. Thank you for your time.  Big D  (talk • contribs) 5:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Big D Kuwait

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The subject does not meet WP:NMUSIC at this time. The sources used in the article at present are either primary sources or are not published in 'reliable' sources. Searches in google books, news and factiva don't bring up any suitable references. As the article states the subject is still "underground" which is good sign that we should not have an article about him at the moment. SmartSE (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Smart SE,

I had someone work so hard to make this page for me it took time. i thought i was deemed worthy of being looked up in an encyclopedia. i have been working hard writing everyone that tries to delete me to explain my case. i am not mainstream, and i plan on staying underground. i'm not using this as a way to help my career, im using this for proof; and a reliable source for me to be looked up in by Kuwait. im not in it for money or fame. that's how my small country recognizes me in public, but i needed an article of proof. even if it was a small paragraph. unfortunately at the moment i don't have the reliable source that you ask for. but i earned my fame mostly because i stayed underground. so i can have freedom of speech in cases such as this my Islamic country forbids profanity or even having a music career (if you want to know more about why my religion is against making money off of music i will explain more if you ask me). therefore i cant be true to myself if i was a signed artist because the media will never let me say what i want. they like my music because i am the only Kuwaiti that went this far on my own personal budget.

Im the only unsigned Kuwaiti artist that went this far. where as there is a signed group by the name of Army Of One, Kuwaiti rappers. but Kuwait media decides how there music should be and they can't rap with profanity, freedom, and self will. the songs they make are just for commercial purposes it's not what they truly want to release. i know this because they are my friends. but in my case i have the advantage of being underground and producing my own music. so i can talk about politics, religion, and middle eastern issues, and what the middle east really wants to hear.

Please look at this a article, it is about the band "Army of One" on a Kuwaiti news website "Army of one - Arab Times" what if I could get a article similar to the one I just posted. will that be enough reliable source? my question to you Mr. SmrtSE would I be accepted then. i hope my situation is more clear. thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 13:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. No coverage by secondary sources that I can find.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Mr Bbb23,

Please type "Big D Kuwait" in google search engine you will see my name everywhere sir, all the way to the 30th page, that can be somewhat of coverage used and I spoke to a reporter on Arab_Times by next week I will have a article on their official website hopefully, rules are rules and I respect your regulations sir, but just google search the word "Kuwaiti Rapper" and you will see my name on the first results that is good source for the time being, I await your positive response.
 * As you've been told repeatedly, what matters is secondary reliable sources commenting on your accomplishments. Without that, you can't have an article here. What happens in the future can only be evaluated after it has happened. Articles aren't based on future notability.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I won't "vote" since I'm involved (as a fan of Big D's efforts) but I am afraid that at this time there is no notability per our standards. A record contract with a notable label, some decent distribution, and coverage in accepted music publications would help. Perhaps, Big-D, you can start a feud--that seems to work for many US artists... Drmies (talk) 15:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear All,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) 16:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

So for you to consider someone as notable enough to be in an encyclopedia you have to be able to Google the artist to see his or her information and the information has to come from a big company, newspaper, record label, so on and so forth.....let me just say on my behalf I am in a strict Muslim country which does not allow Muslims to make money off of music it is actually against the Holy Koran the 1....I REPEAT THE ONE AND ONLY R&B/HIP HOP ARTIST GROUP TO EVER GET SIGNED IN KUWAIT, is like a Justin Beiber/98 degrees boy band combined. THERE WILL NEVER BE A RAP ARTIST COMING OUT OF KUWAIT, not with saying what i say in my songs. my genre is more gangsta rap with hardcore lyrics and beats. its just never going to happen for me unless i turn into something that they want me to be. its not just about my profanity, its also about the subjects i choose to write about....i have made a lot of songs that are light hearted in my younger days...but i'm getting older and have matured. i am now choosing to write about issues that are hard for youth to get interested in just by reading on the news.

i'm not trying to waste everyone's time here. my point i'm trying to argue here is this....for me to be true to myself, i will never get signed...especially in Kuwait. i'm fighting a sea of critics that hate me just because i'm a rapper. i would say any person in this country that is a kuwaity hates my music...just because they think i am a bad person for doing what i do. they think i'm a bad guy because i'm going against my religion technically. but i don't do drugs, i don't drink alcohol, i pray, and read the Holy Koran, i love my family and my wife, i work and come home and write music.

for me to be on MTV Middle East with live broadcasting would be pointless since my whole purpose is to be underground. I respect every-bodies point of view; everybody here is trying to go by the rule book. I respect Mr. Drmies for his support, and SmartSE; BB; all the wiki admins. but take a look at these U.A.E rap group Desert_Heat_(hip_hop) they been on Wikipedia for so long and have warning never been deleted.

I'm not on many reliable sources because of my belief in true Hip-Hop I rather have no fame and quit rapping then be something that I'm not just to get accepted on Wikipedia. I have faith you will let my page stay, because I deserve it. Thank you for hearing all of my story. I will fight for my right to be categorized in Wikipedia as a rap artist from Kuwait. Because i doubt there will ever be a rap artist from Kuwait again that will come close to me as far as deserving a Wikipedia page. Big D Kuwait (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me to that article. Their notability is very iffy, but I was able to find and add one mention of them--they could possibly be nominated for deletion. As for Kuwaiti rappers, what about Disso R Die and ThuGz Team? Drmies (talk) 17:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha Mr Drmies (Diss or Die and ThuGz Team) are some kids on the street in kuwait, wannabe rappers, that diss each other all day long, they only freestyle swearing at one another, they can't even spell the word Wikipedia sir! and they only rap in arabic they are definitely not acceptable for Wikipedia, If I may seem not good enough to pass the music notability standards, Then they will definitely seem a lot more illegitimate, and I was speaking in terms of general hardcore english arabic hip-hop, furthermore I'm the only unsigned Kuwaiti rapper with official music videos in Kuwait nobody has any music videos here other then me and "Army of one - Arab Times" because they have a record deal. Big D Kuwait (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs) Lebanon, Morocco, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen. All the countries in the gulf are there EXCEPT KUWAIT. not because we do not have rappers here, we do, but they are iffy,I kept hip hop alive in my small country, and I was the one of the first people to start hip hop in Kuwait. Please look at Arabic hip hop Big D Kuwait (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big D Kuwaiti Rapper (talk • contribs)
 * P.S I have the proof as a Arab and a rapper I know the history of Hip-Hop in the middle east, Believe it or not LOOK UP Arabic hip hop the biggest phrase on Wikipedia for Arab rappers in the chart they have the rappers from Algeria, Egypt, Jordan,