Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Four international beauty pageants


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No prejudice towards a merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Big Four international beauty pageants

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No source provided to justify "big four"; appears to be original research and synthesis NE Ent 03:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * merge to beauty pageant I can find a few passing media references which talk of the "big four" as such (e.g. this IBT article) but I cannot see much more content than "the big four are" and "Brazil was first to win them all in 2004." This is a remark in the main article, not a separate topic. Mangoe (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The beauty pageant article tackles beauty pageant in general while the article, Big Four international beauty pageants focuses mainly on the four major pageants in which the article can be expanded with various sections in addition to its existing form such as controversies, dethronements, national pageants that have all big four franchises like Turkey, Venezuela, Paraguay, Bolivia, and etc. Given an ample time after this holiday season I may be able to expand the article and put sources to support the article.--Richie Campbell (talk) 01:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. There are several third party verifiable sources that support the article written in different languages from different countries and in different newspapers, websites, various national pageant organizations crowning the big four pageants (a.k.a,four major beauty pageant beauty contests, world's four most important beauty contest, Four Major Beauty Pageants) . The following are examples:
 * China Daily: 2004 "Now, "Miss Earth" (Miss Earth) beauty pageant and "Miss World" (Miss World), "Miss Universe" (Miss Universe) and "Miss International" (Miss International) and known as the world's four major beauty pageant beauty contests" source, google translate
 * Korean Newspaper: Chosun Ilbo: "It is unprecedented for a Miss Korea winner to compete in two of the world's top four beauty pageants (Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss International and Miss Earth), acquaintances say. Her goal is apparently to outdo Lee's record." source
 * Standard Digital: Kenya News: "Besides gorgeous Natasha Metto, the reigning Miss Kenya, who â representing Africa â won the coveted Miss World Beauty with a Purpose title at the 2010 Miss World pageant at Sanya, China, Kenyan representatives have always had a poor show in the global plat form. In fact, when it comes to the Big Four Miss World, Miss Universe, Miss Earth and Miss International â Kenyan representatives hardly get the sniff of the finals. source
 * Gerçek Gündem- TURKEY : "The world's four most important beauty contest "Miss World, Miss Universe, Miss International and Miss Earth" competitions" source |google translate
 * Show America: "The Big Four” (Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss Earth, Miss International), being both the largest and most famous of the International beauty competitions… source
 * The Journal-Scotland: "Major international events such as Miss World, Miss Universe, Miss International and Miss Earth are well documented." source
 * Business Times Hong Kong: "Miss Earth", "Miss Universe", "Miss International", "Miss World" are referred to as "the world's four major beauty contest" source, google translate
 * Aksam-Turkey: "the world's four most important beauty contest, Miss World, Miss Universe, Miss International and Miss Earth will be represented" source google translate
 * Bahamasnet.com: "The Big Four Pageants: Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss Earth and Miss International…" source
 * Vietnam Express Newspaper: "Four Major Beauty Pageants, Miss Universe, Miss Earth, and Miss International, but the Miss World competition…" source google translate
 * Slovak Moda: "Miss International is the fourth largest international beauty contest in the world. Compete with the Miss Universe, Miss World and Miss Earth." source google translate
 * Aachener Nachrichten: "The choice for Miss International, officially "The International Beauty Pageant", applies after Miss World, Miss Universe and Miss Earth as the fourth largest beauty pageant in the world." source google translate
 * Latina Express: source google translate
 * Gecce- Turkey: source google translate
 * Radical- Turkey: source google translate
 * Korean Times: source
 * Sueddeutsche- Germany: source translate google translate
 * Habervitrini- Russia: source google translate
 * Sina-China: source
 * Haberler: |source source--Richie Campbell (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I suggested merger because it is pretty clear that those four are regarded as the pinnacle, and because there is decent testimony to the use of the term. But it's hard for me to see how any much could get said about them in this context than would naturally be said in the main article anyway (and may be now, for that matter: I haven't checked). Mangoe (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I am opposed to a merger; considering that there really is significant demand for this as per the Google search count. Why take this away and merge it with the bigger beauty pageant article, wherein people will have to scroll through to get here rather than click this article and then have content specifically suited to your inquiry? I vote, keep.Gintong Liwanag Ng Araw (talk) 09:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep The suggested basis for deleting this article has been disproved by (some of) the sources cited above. Although a substantial portion of the sources as a whole say only that the four pageants are the 'four biggest', at least some of them, eg the Bahamian and Kenyan ones, appear both to use the expression "big four" and to be reliable sources (particularly if one takes a worldwide view).  Additionally, the subject matter of the article appears to be sufficiently distinct from that of beauty pageant to justify a separate article. Bahnfrend (talk) 06:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Below are some more sources and some are great materials to expand or improve the Big Four article
 * http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303562904579230743737206568
 * http://www.rappler.com/life-and-style/specials/35623-big-4-olympics-of-beauty
 * http://www.mb.com.ph/philippines-wins-2013-miss-international/
 * http://philnews.ph/2013/12/17/bea-rose-santiago-fifth-filipino-winner-of-miss-international/#
 * http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/509959/20130930/philippines-brazil-venezuela-three-countries-win-big.htm
 * http://www.solarnews.ph/lifestyle/2013/12/19/miss-philippines-is-miss-international-2013#.UsDM4_0w1js
 * http://www.perdeby.co.za/sections/features/2193-71beauty-pageants-the-bad-and-the-beautiful
 * http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/09/13/urban-chat-the-misses-and-missuses-world.html
 * http://uk.reuters.com/video/2013/12/29/the-philippines-earns-another-crown?videoId=276014896&videoChannel=2603--Richie Campbell (talk) 01:30, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Those of these that I've checked all say the same thing: "The Big Four are...." There is nothing here that does not fit better into a few sentences in the main article on pageants. Mangoe (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per plethora of sources. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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