Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Four international beauty pageants (3rd nomination)


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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 09:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Big Four international beauty pageants
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The four pageants are themselves notable, however the "big four" or "big league" grouping lacks in-depth coverage, since the references are largely WP:PASSING mentions. MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep As I said at the last AFD for this: As it says at the start of the article The Wall Street Journal, BBC News, CNN, Xinhua News Agency, and global news agencies such as Reuters, Associated Press and Agence France-Presse collectively refer to the four major pageants as "Big Four" . The first AFD also found many reliable sources talking about the "big four".  I don't know of any other beauty pageants that get coverage like this.  These are grouped together by the media though.   D r e a m Focus  00:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * However the grouping only occurs in passing mentions without any detailed coverage, unlike Grand Slam (tennis), for example. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The article has multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage as a group, you just have to explore. The following are examples:
 * https://www.ibtimes.com.au/philippines-brazil-venezuela-three-countries-win-big-four-international-beauty-pageants-1318720
 * http://asianjournal.com/lifestyle/a-haphazard-scrutiny-and-pragmatic-dissertation-on-philippine-pageantry/
 * https://thediplomat.com/2013/10/beauty-race-and-politics-on-the-pageant-circuit/
 * https://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2016/03/28/1567012/philippines-3rd-winningest-global-pageants
 * https://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2015/12/08/1530539/history-back-backs
 * ---Richie Campbell (talk) 06:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - As noted by  D r e a m Focus  the term is in common use by noted sources, and there is multiple RS referring to it.  Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Dream Focus' comments and comments at previous AfD, plenty of RS to meet notability requirements. --John B123 (talk) 09:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Was kept in an AfD as late as May 2020. Article has plenty of good third party sources and is within the criterias. Also per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 10:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, per others { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 11:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


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