Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Tits at School


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The result was redirect to Brazzers. Perhaps not quite consensus to delete, but certainly consensus not to retain as a separate article.  Sandstein  16:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Big Tits at School

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Fails NFILM and the GNG not to mention WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Just an unsourced, unverified, commentary-free collection of castlists. "Best Big Bust" whatever is not a major award for excellence in any aspect of filmmaking, as required by the pertinent SNG. Abusively deprodded without explanation or article improvement by the usual suspect. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom - Fails NFILM & GNG . – Davey 2010 Talk 14:22, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Brazzers where it can be noted in one line that they have this "award"-winning series. This does raise an interesting issue: there should probably be a guideline for pornographic films, analogous to PORNBIO, which bestows notability on the basis of winning the major awards - but this series is itself a perfect example of why niche awards alone shouldn't count. --Sammy1339 (talk) 18:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep one film in the series won the AVN Award for "Best Big Bust Release" and the series as a whole has won the AVN Award for "Best Big Bust Series" twice in 2010 and 2011. I agree with Sammy1339 on creating a notability guideline for pornographic films (perhaps call it WP:PORNFILM or WP:NPORNFILM). Guideline suggestions: For an individual porn film, require one well-known/significant win just like in WP:PORNBIO and WP:NFILM. For a series, either win a series award or require that at least two different individual films in the series win an award, per consensus at Articles for deletion/Girlvana. Disallow the creation of individual articles for a film belonging to a series (e.g. Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 12 & Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 17) per consensus at Articles for deletion/All Natural Glamour Solos, with few exceptions (e.g. Pirates (2005 film) & Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge are ok to have separate articles for). Exclude award wins for Best Actress/Actor, Best Director, Best Sex Scene, etc., which go to specific individuals for their work in the film, but not the film itself. Only accept awards given specifically to the film/series itself. Rebecca1990 (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * With respect for the enthusiasm here, the niche categories for the AVN awards (which are given out separately from the main ceremony) include things like Best DVD Menus, Best Packaging Innovation, and Clever Title of the Year. I'd like to continue the discussion of a WP:PORNFILM standard elsewhere, but nobody is going to accept such broad criteria. --Sammy1339 (talk) 23:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Those were just some suggestions of what a WP:PORNFILM guideline should include, not a suggestion of what the entire guideline should be. Your examples actually do fail my proposal of "only accept awards given specifically to the film/series itself". AVN/XBIZ/XRCO awards that would count in, for example, Wasteland (film): AVN Best Drama & Movie of the Year, XBIZ Feature Movie of the Year, and XRCO Best Release. Awards that don't count: AVN Best Actress & Best Director – Feature, XBIZ Director of the Year - Feature Release, Best Actress—Feature Movie, & Best Scene - Feature Movie, and XRCO Best Actress. Recipients of Best Actress and Best Director get to have articles per PORNBIO, but the film itself shouldn't get it's own article if Best Actress/Actor, Best Supporting Actress/Actor, Best Sex Scene, and/or Best Director are all it has. I don't have any opinion on these: AVN Best Cinematography, Best Editing, and Best Screenplay. They do technically satisfy WP:NFILM's "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" criteria, but should they also be included in WP:PORNFILM or not? Rebecca1990 (talk) 11:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Brazzers per Sammy1339.
 * I also think that a new notability guideline for pornograhic films is needed. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge any relevant content (like award wins, etc.) to Brazzers - It's always appeared to me that this was just a web series on that particular adult website anyways.
 * There is no need for a new, specific guideline for pornographic films, since NFILM already has the wording: "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" (emphasis mine). There's always the GNG as well for just about anything. Guy1890 (talk) 05:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Why redirect? What's the problem with this film series having it's own article? It's clearly notable on it's own from the studio. There's nothing wrong with the Best Big Bust Release/Series awards. Yes, they're genre-specific, so what? ALL porn award film/series categories are genre-specific. Even a generic-sounding category like the XRCO Award for Best Release is genre-specific, it is only given to what the porn industry calls "feature" films, which refers to a very specific type of plot/acting that excludes the student/teacher and secretary/boss story-lines of Brazzers and Naughty America as well as parodies. Rebecca1990 (talk) 11:46, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's awarded off the main stage in a separate, private event. AVN doesn't think it worth televising the event where the niche awards are given out - I don't see why we should pretend they make the series notable. This, in particular, is an example of a series with low production values, low artistic quality, and zero coverage in mainstream media. Allowing this in the notability standard would just result in another spate of deletions at some later date, when people realized there was a ton of garbage sitting on the encyclopedia just because it won Best Big Bust Series.
 * I do think we need a PORNFILM guideline because people's individual interpretations of what constitutes a "major award" under NFLIM will vary dramatically, as evidenced here. The porn editors should have stable standards to work under, rather than having to constantly face deletion discussions based on ever-shifting criteria. --Sammy1339 (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Being awarded on or off-stage has nothing to do with how well-known/significant an award is. Best Supporting Actress/Actor aren't always announced on-stage and we have strong consensus, unanimous in some cases, that they satisfy PORNBIO. It's obvious by looking at all the nominations this has received that Best Big Bust Release/Series is the only category it qualifies for. These are all of the winners of Best Big Bust Series: Boob Bangers (2007), Big Natural Breasts (2008), Big Wet Tits (2009), Big Tits at School (2010), Big Tits at School (2011), Big Tits in Uniform (2012), Boobaholics Anonymous (2013), & Big & Real (2014). Notice that "Big Tits at School" is the ONLY recipient of this award to have won it twice, which I think proves it's notable in that genre. If you want to suggest a minimum number of awards a porn series must receive in order to pass WP:PORNFILM, I'm willing to compromise, but I don't agree with excluding any Best Film/Movie/Release or Best Series award of any genre from WP:PORNFILM altogether. What if a series were to receive 10 Best Big Bust Release/Series awards? How could we not consider it notable just because it has no other awards outside of that category? Rebecca1990 (talk) 22:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Because it didn't meet meet the GNG or NFILM, of course. The "well-known/significant" test applies to biographies. The longstanding consensus standard applicable here is "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking". If the award doesn't meet that test, it doesn't matter how many times the series has won the award. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 02:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - The standard in play here for film awards isn't "well-known/significant"...it's "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking". Are there some adult film-related award categories that rise to this standard? Of course there are, but the ones specifically in play here don't. Nominations for awards don't count for films, nor have I ever heard of them counting for films in the past here at AfD. Guy1890 (talk) 05:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 19:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, basically per nom. This article doesn't meet the WP:GNG threshold and fails WP:NFILM. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 19:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's basically delete or redirect. I don't know why this has been relisted twice. --Sammy1339 (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG lacking coverage in reliable sourcesAtlantic306 (talk) 05:07, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.