Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Valley, Lassen County, California


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Big Valley, Lassen County, California

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Another entry created from Durham's gazetteer, but other sources do not agree that it is a town. Mostly they say that it means the whole valley itself, but Gudde identifies it as an early name for Nubieber, which is southwest of Bieber, by the way. I just don't think this is an actual town, and it's pretty clear that the population numbers from the one site are for the whole area. Mangoe (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  14:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - If it has a population, it's a town. Also, it passes WP:GEOLAND as it has a source from the United States Department of Agriculture. Kori das 📣 17:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculously inadequate. Let me spell it out: the Big Valley is, duh, a big valley, encompassing (according to the one site I found) four cities/towns as well as a lot of territory between them. Here is the first paragraph of that USDA report:
 * "The Big Valley area comprises the northwestern part of Lassen County and the southwester part of Modoc County, Calif. It lies near the northwestern corner of the State, about 55 miles south of the Oregon boundary and about the same distance from the western boundary of Nevada. The area is irregular in outline, with a maximum length north and south of 23 miles and a breadth of approximately 20 miles. It contains 245 square miles, or 156,000 acres."
 * Of course an area that large has a population, as does Lassen County, California and California itself and the United State of America and North America and the Western Hemisphere and the Earth. None of them are towns, and this valley isnot either. Mangoe (talk) 18:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The question when it comes to WP:GEOLAND is if it's a census tract or not, and it seems to be. So, I'm going with not notability. "Population" isn't really relevant in this case. Since a small farm is technically "populated." What matters is if the place was only named and put into the GNIS system for the sake of the census--Adamant1 (talk) 19:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC).
 * Delete "If it has a population, it's a town." is nonsense. Big Valley is a census county division (census source), which is a purely statistical entity used by the census and is not (a town). California has almost 400 of these and they are not notable places. A separate Big Valley (California) article may be appropriate for the landform, could be merged with Big Valley Mountains though not sure that's really a notable range... Reywas92Talk 19:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. "has a population" is not sufficient. Glendoremus (talk) 04:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * KEEEP - I improved it a bit by adding the newspaper and citation https://www.tipurdy.org/archives/files/lassen-county-obituary-index/big-valley-gazette-1907-1956/ I was surprised a place with a population and a newspaper would appear in the deletion lists. The population as such would revolve around the newspaper. Goldenrowley (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to say, Whether or not you categorize it as a town or a valley with people  in it, that shouldn't be the argument. Unincorporated places are legitimate topics. Goldenrowley (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The paper was published not in a town called "Big Valley", but in Bieber, California, an actual, still-extant town which is the only substantial population center in the Big Valley. So it is hardly surprising that the publishers should name their journal so as to encompass the larger area, but it doesn't in the least show that there was a specific settlement called "Big Valley"; indeed, it tends to argue for the opposite.


 * And it does matter. I'm happy for you to go write an article on the physical feature called "Big Valley", and list the towns lying therein, but that's not this article. Mangoe (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Rewriting would be tedious. All you'd need to do is call it a valley, and categorize it a populated valley, rather than a town. The title doesn't say town, so it could keep the same namespace. Goldenrowley (talk) 17:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep It's not a town, but as a valley it appears to be notable. Perhaps rename to Big Valley (Lassen County, California). ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 17:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, PhantomSteve/ talk ¦ contribs \ 18:00, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. California Mountain regions populations are not like New England, it orgazines around a lake or a highway and it's misleading to judge Northern California rugged areas by how big the town center is. Not that you have, I was just thinking how we make a big deal here in Northern California whenever we see any gold miners settle, even a few. Usually there's a mine or a lake or something that they center around. Goldenrowley (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


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