Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Biggy Smallz


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The result was   Delete, redirect to The Notorious B.I.G. made. --Tone 19:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Biggy Smallz

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Only info on the artist was from the usual webcrawling sites, allmusic and yahoo music. Also this: seems to indicate that this person is in fact Christopher Wallace aka The Notorious B.I.G., and the source (Billboard) is a lot more credible than a crawler page.Terrillja (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think it is important to recognize that Biggy Smallz is a completely different artist than Notorious B.I.G., especially when listening to the audio samples and looking at the artist's record label displayed on the covers of the singles. ex: and Listen to "Nobody Rides for Free" by Biggy Smallz. As for the link you have provided, the author of the book most likely inferred the statement. Inferences are not encouraged on wikipedia. However, Live-Squad.com clearly has reputable authority over the subject, much more so than the secondary-source based The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits. Lhw1 (talk) 22:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I have to disagree, citing the website of a group about a song that one of their members was part of doesn't seem to meet WP:RS. I would recommend that you read over WP:PRIMARY. In Wikipedia, a source with no personal, direct involvement (secondary source) is favored over a source with direct involvement (primary source). --Terrillja (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to know your stance on whether or not you think they are two separate people after you have thoroughly listened to the clips and examined the scans. It is requested that this article will not face deletion while we collaboratively look for the sources deemed "reliable". I would argue that the primary source I have cited is sufficient enough to keep the article, or in the least challenge contradicting allegations to the point that both opposing views should be taken with a grain of salt. Lhw1 (talk) 23:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - There is clearly no notable person other than the late Mr Christopher Wallace going by any such moniker. AlexTiefling (talk) 00:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I believe this artist fails WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:BAND. He doesn't seem like anyone notable to be on Wikipedia, other than the fact that he wrote a few songs, was mentioned on a few songs from other bands, and that his nickname was the same as Biggy Smallz. Did he win an award? Did any of the music he wrote get national recognition or was placed on any top song charts? Does he have an article on a third party website, such as a newspaper, proving his notability? If someone messages me with a source that passes WP:BAND, then I will change my vote. Beano (talk) 00:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to The Notorious B.I.G. as plausible mispelling. JuJube (talk) 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. If the article is deleted, I suggest that a portion of the article be transferred to God Bless the Dead if one does create an article for it in the near future. This is valuable information and should not be ignored for clear reasons. Lhw1 (talk) 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and then hard redirect as a plausible misspelling. JBsupreme (talk) 04:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't show enough notability of the artist himself but just B.I.G. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 19:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 19:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Biggy Smallz is a separate artist. He had two successful singles in the early 1990s. I think it's a shame that his career has been overshadowed by B.I.G.Lifted84 (talk) 03:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * — Lifted84 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Terrillja (talk) 02:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.