Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bijay Lama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 05:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Bijay Lama

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The notability of the subject can not be established. Bulk of the article is a list of events the subject has managed (I guess!?) (is that wikipedia material?) which references self published, archived from dead, web link. The other reference links are no good either. Many editors seem to confuse (even Google knowledge panel) this subject with the notable wikipedia subject Capt. Vijay Lama and add information about him into this article. I have reverted those edits but I don't think this article should exist at all. Probably a case of TOOSOON, doesn't look as though the subject has simply been a victim of overshadowing by his more notable namesake. Usedtobecool (talk) 21:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC) Usedtobecool (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for clearing this up. There's still some confusion as the article on Truck Driver links to Bijay, if you can check the what links here. Also, is Catmandu and the produced film listed for Bijay correct ? Atlantic306 (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for pointing that out. Yes, the actor in Truck Driver (1994 film) was definitely the Captain Vijaya Lama (viewed the source itself), also Muna Madan (2003 film) (the Captain is on the movie poster in the article). And I have also removed wikilink from the Malaysia at the 2014 Asian Games (I don't think any actor participated in that, and there is no source linked there that says otherwise). I did not check other pages (user pages and the like). I will now look for all the information on Bijay Lama. Perhaps there's some video interviews where he can be identified. Catmandu was a real TV series that was quite popular. It cast all new faces that disappeared after the show was over. And it was pre-internet. So, fingers crossed! Usedtobecool (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The source Nepalitimes (#5 on current version) has credible information on Catmandu but doesn't mention any Bijay Lama. Aago 2 trailer (#6) credits one "Bijay(a) Lama" (could be Vijay(a) Lama) as executive producer. No way to tell who that is. Could be anyone with some money and/or knowhow. Song from the same movie (#8) mentions one Bijay Lama as producer. Catmandu episode(s02e52) (#10) (actually just watched it myself) credits one Bijay Lama as the character Nawang. I do remember that character from back in the day. That means Bijay Lama is indeed an actor who played Nawang in Catmandu. Therefore, I can now say with some confidence that Bijay Lama is indeed an actor (Catmandu being his only work most probably) and a much younger one than Vijaya Lama. The singing (#2 on creator's version) is another mistake. There is another singer Bijay Lama, active since 1995, who is quite successful in the folk genre. That is who that is about. Interestingly, the event is in the list of events from this subject. So, my guess is, this Bijay Lama managed the event featuring a different singer Bijay Lama.

Final Clarification and recommendations: We have three people: 1.Captain Vijaya Lama an actor since 1984 and airlines pilot born in the 60's and the subject of the article wikilinked in this sentence who is referred to as having lended voice to the Guinness record-holder song as per the article and a credible news source that it references, therefore officially a singer too. 2.Bijay Lama, an actor who definitely played Nawang in 2002-3 tv serial "Catmandu" who probably is an event manager as per the self-published dead webpage referenced in the article and probably did produce the 2015 movie Aago 2 as well (someone named Bijay Lama certainly did). 3.Bijay Lama, a professional folk singer, active since 1995, born 1979 according to one source, is quite notable and probably deserves a wikipedia page of his own. Therefore, Vijaya Lama should stay and be improved. Bijay Lama isn't notable enough to stay but if it stays it should be moved to Bijay Lama (actor) unless we want a wikipedia page about an event manager, listing events managed. Bijay Lama (singer) is a bit of a notable singer and deserves a wikipedia page which should be created in the near future. Bijay Lama should be a disambiguation page to disambiguate Vijaya, Bijay (actor) and Bijay (singer) if/when they all exist. For now, it should redirect to Vijaya Lama. It should be redirected to Vijaya Lama because it seems most people that stumbled on to this page were looking for him, and many editors added information about him to this page. Source of confusion: The sanskrit word Vijaya, meaning victory, becomes Vijay in India and many Indian Languages. In Nepal, it can have one of the four forms: Vijay, Vijaya, Bijaya, Bijay. Therefore, most people use spelling as per their own standards. In this case, everyone looking for Vijaya Lama finds Bijay Lama and most tabloids just copy wikipedia text and google photos, producing pages about Vijaya Lama with his picture and text from this article which was (probably still is) a mashup of three different people's bio. Usedtobecool (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:30, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Nothing out there at all that I could find, and I assume that if there are better sources in Nepali/etc. media, they'd be here. All sources appear to be crap -- the first one I clicked on didn't seem to mention the subject at all, youtube, crowdsourced. --valereee (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Wow, that is really a mess. Several of the citations seem to be for a singer, is that the other Bijay Lama you're talking about? I'm thinking we should just remove those, if you can tell which ones are which. --valereee (talk) 18:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Re: Hi, thanks for looking into it. There's probably tons that could be done. I just didn't want to put any more work into an article which I think will be deleted. But I could check each   and keep/remove if you think that's the right thing to do. Usedtobecool (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , the only reason I suggest it is that it would help other editors to see what sources aren't actually sources for this person. It's not strictly necessary, but it could be what is causing editors to click here, see the mess, not want to spend the time investigating, and move on instead of !voting. --valereee (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Re: I have removed irrelevant links. Of the links that remain, Reference #1 is permanent dead (no idea what that had), #2 is his personal website, also dead, but has his pictures for positive identification, and the list of events that's been copy-pasted into this article, #3 and #4 are youtube videos and have hardcoded producer credits for him in the videos themselves, #5 and #6 are youtube links to TV episodes he appears in (end credits credit him). I don't think any of them meet wikipedia standards. Were it up to me, I'd delete them all and nominate the page for speedy deletion, just seemed a bit too extreme/bold(?) at the time. Usedtobecool (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , yeah, I kind of hate to see removal of all sourcing, then CSD. We may believe it's clearly non-notable, but that's not a CSD. You might have been able to WP:PROD it as the creator hasn't edited in four years, but AfD is probably the best choice. I think that now you've clarified issues/removed irrelevant sourcing, there'll be some decision for this relisting. WP:NORUSH! --valereee (talk) 21:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I suggested that (via Teahouse) have this article moved to their draftspace to work on it instead of deleting it This is because the potential of becoming a article exists. Best Regards,    Barbara    ✐  ✉


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