Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill McNutt II


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The result was   delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Bill McNutt II

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After Articles for deletion/Bill McNutt III, let's talke about this one: WP:N Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are 0 (zero) sources in this article.  I searched, and found an additional 0 (zero) sources.  According to my math, 0+0.. hang on... carry the zero... is not multiple reliable sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's one source in the article, which has been there from its very first revision, that the nominator here keeps removing because xe doesn't appear to comprehend that a news article source is locatable if, as in this case, it gives the full byline, dateline, title, and publication information. In this instance, one can even just put the title of the article into Google Web and it comes up.  A classic case of an editor not realizing that a convenience URL is a convenience, and how to locate sources when a citation doesn't spoon-feed a hyperlink to one.  Uncle G (talk) 23:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Comment There are some sources out there. And maybe the III article was prematurely deleted?  http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/D_Magazine/2010/June/Bill_McNutt_Was_Busted_on_the_Hilltop.aspx  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-09-17/news/0609170179_1_mail-order-mail-order-collin-street-bakery
 * Fasttimes68, see Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  22:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Charges were dropped and that seemed to be the only notable thing about III. -- Neil N   talk to me  22:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete unsourced BLP, not notable anyway. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  22:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Comment google news archive has plenty of links. Do people mind holding off for a few days while I take a stab at rescuing this?  Fasttimes68 (talk) 22:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You could have it userfied at best... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * that will work tooFasttimes68 (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any link that shows why he's notable? I've been looking through them and other than mentions for running a successful company, I can't find any in depth coverage. -- Neil N   talk to me  23:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No links at the moment, but he was apparently a pioneer in direct marketing. I'm not opposed to deletion for now.  It can always be rescued later.Fasttimes68 (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:NOTMEMORIAL, and perhaps time to create WP:NOTOBITUARY as well. If the only time one gets mentioned by a source is upon death, then probably wasn't very notable to begin with. Tarc (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, possibly merge and redirect to Collin Street Bakery. I fixed the link to the very detailed Los Angeles Times obituary, which appears to have been republished in other important sources such as The Boston Globe.  And the search string  turns up quite a bit of substantial coverage for Mr. McNutt and his "fruitcake empire", including a 1968 Wall Street Journal feature (paywalled), a 1981 feature in People, a 1986 L.A. Times feature (written by a different reporter than the obit), and many more.  The existing article about the bakery is not particularly well sourced or written but its notability seems clear (it even has its own article in The Handbook of Texas Online ).  There's enough individual coverage about Mr. McNutt to support an argument for his individual notability, but it might be better to combine these articles to produce one well-made, fresh article studded with plenty of high-quality sources, rather than two stale, shabbily composed, mainly promotional articles--you know, just like fruitcakes. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note - The bakery article looks suspect also, with comments like mailing "to any country you can name", a line possibly straight out of a brochure. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Arxiloxos (talk) 07:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per Tarc's reasoning. The only real sources seem to have come after his death in the form of obituaries.  Not a very strong indication that the individual was especially notable in life.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep based on additional sources found by Arxiloxos and some others I found at and LA Times, 1986.  He was elected a member of the Texas Business Hall of Fame in 2002. This article can and should be kept and brought up to WP standards. There are enough articles featuring McNutt Jr and the Collin Street Bakery to expand both articles. DocTree (talk) 19:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL - The only source is an obit for the guy. Reading the article and the sole source provided it looks like it may be a WP:COPYVIO. But even if that could be overcome, all we have is a WP:BLP1E for a guy who's only claim to fame is a WP:MANBITESDOG, "news of the weird"-style story about a guy that sold fruitcake online. --Joshuaism (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.