Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Morneau


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Bill Morneau

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as a not-yet-elected candidate in a future election. It's theoretically possible that his business career prior to being a candidate might get him over our inclusion rules for businesspeople, but that hasn't been demonstrated by this article as written — of the sources here which are covering him in that context instead of his candidacy, every last one of them is a primary source (i.e. his own campaign website) except for one news article in the Toronto Star which briefly namechecks his existence in the process of failing to be substantively about him. Neither political candidates nor businesspeople get automatic inclusion freebies on Wikipedia just because they exist — his chances of getting an article for his business career depend on reliable source coverage of that business career, and his chances of getting an article for his political endeavours require him to win the seat and not merely run for it. Essentially, at the moment this is just a campaign brochure — and that's a type of article that no politician, not even an actual officeholder, gets to have on here. Delete, without prejudice against recreation on October 19 if he wins. Bearcat (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, per the same reasons that editor above details, being an unelected candidate in a federal election does not make a person notable enough for an article. They would have to be notable prior to becoming a candidate, and looking through the sources, I don't see the subject meeting those requirements. The content sounds more like a campaign pitch than an encyclopedia article to begin with. If the subject of the article is elected in the upcoming election, then like all other MPs elected, he would then meet notability requirements and an article can be added at that time. Cmr08 (talk) 23:54, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, since there's probably a case for notability for being the head of Canada's largest HR firm and former head of the C. D. Howe Institute, the leading Canadian think tank. However, as the article stands now, there's a lack of significant, independent coverage that makes the case for said notability. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, edited to add further references to role as businessperson and involvement with key organizations such as C. D. Howe Institute and St. Michael's Hospital. More primary sources added. User:MRAB2015 23:20, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Campaign-related biography of an unelected politician. Consensus has been that there is a special high bar for such material, not cleared in this instance, in my estimation. Carrite (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as WP:TNT and restart when better as my searches found nothing particularly good so we can wait for a better article. SwisterTwister   talk  06:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.