Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Roorbach


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Bill Roorbach

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This person does not appear to meet WP:WRITER as not enough secondary sources. Not enough secondary idependent sources to clear hurtle of notability. Jimsteele9999 (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment If this article were sourced it might pass WP:WRITER 4c.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow  Talk 02:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow  Talk 02:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article passes WP:WRITER; however, there are no citations for the article. Just because an article does not contain citations does not mean that they don't exist and does not mean that the topic is not notable; however, I have a feeling that those commenting after me will vote delete due to not having sources so I would advise those who care enough to keep the article get busy with the citations. --SimonKnowsAll (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Ouch! Article subject edits article and accidentally deletes all the references in the article while doing so. I've now restored them all (leaving the COI edits otherwise in place as, apart from the COI itself, they all seem unobjectionable) - unfortunately, three of the four are primary (and so only help to the extent of verifying that he has been published in some very reputable magazines) and the fourth is an online magazine which, while it looks reasonably reliable, I had never heard of before. So far as other sources go, GNews produces a Boston Globe feature article (which looks reliable and substantial to me), a large number of open access newspaper articles which tend to be either from his local paper or event announcements (and therefore at least tend not to count towards notability) and almost as many paywalled reviews for quite a few of his works from a number of sources we generally regard as reliable. To be honest, this one really depends on some of the paywalled reviews showing he meets WP:WRITER#3 (which I think probable), someone finding one or two more clearly reliable sources (which I think possible though far from certain) or his Flannery O'Connor Award for Short Fiction (the O.Henry Award looks like one of about 20 for the year, not one of those specially recommended by the jurors) - but on balance I think that one or more of these will be satisfied. PWilkinson (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * weak keep Harpers ref is no good. Other refs are kind of weak, but it has some WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually, he didn't remove his references, he merely added personal details, so not sure where the ouch statement comes in. Anyway, that aside, the references listed, only direct to his work. No reviews. As mentioned, not enough secondary coverage to meet threshold of WP:WRITER.


 * Keep - Coverage in reliable sources exist although it appears much of it behind pay walls. I have a Highbeam account and can confirm that this Boston Globe article is about him as the primary subject, and this Boston Globe review is a review strictly about his book and not a capsule review tucked in as part of a longer list.  This Minneapolis Star-Tribune review is also only about his work and not a capsule review; furthermore it shows that the coverage is not localised to Boston.  I don't have access to Newsbank, but this Denver Post article appears to be about Roorbach as the primary subject given the article title being "Roorbach no blip on the screen".  One of his short stories also received an O. Henry Prize as verified by this primary source.  -- Whpq (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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