Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Tieleman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No Consensus. Personally not convinced, but not enough to delete. --- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 02:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Bill Tieleman

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Bio of political columnist/strategist. Gnews returned results either by the subject of the article, or briefly mentioning him; not about him. Links in the article consist of (a) coverage of a break-in; (b) a brief quote by him in a blog; (c) his own blog; (d) a story on his Facebook page; (e) a bio of someone else entirely where Tieleman is mentioned a few times; and lastly (f) a paragraph bio on a political site. I don't see any of this meeting the standards for WP:BIO, and a Gsearch doesn't return anything that would make him notable. Speedy declined. Propose delete. Mr. Vernon (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Tavix |  Talk  16:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete appears to be vanital in nature. -Drdisque (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: As the creator of the bio, I have no relation to the subject and in fact disagree with some of his positions. "Vanital in nature" would appear to be insufficient grounds for deletion argument. Canuckle (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions.  —Canuckle (talk) 03:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. As the creator of the article, I am biased. However, the nominator I feel is also biased due to their initial impression because I made the mistake of saving the unreferenced first draft live to mainspace rather than to myspace and the nominator tagged it for speedy delete within 1 minute of posting. After some clean-up, I put a comment supporting notability on the Talk page, but the nominator never engaged in any collaborative dialogue using the Talk page. Since the nom, additional sources have been added attesting to the notability of this prolific writer, commentator and self-promoter. The nom's points are also misleading due to lack of context: Gnews returns results by or mentioning the subject: Well if the 43,000 Ghits for 'Bill Tieleman' are his writings, that should be taken as a demonstration, not a detriment, of his claim to be a prolific political columnist and commentator. Nom mentions Gnews hits which actually demonstrate subject's claim in reliable sources to be a media spokesman for Oxfam and left-wing pro-Solidarity university group as far back as the 1980s. a) an (odd) break-in allegedly linked to the BC Legislature Raids so not your typical office lockpicking; b) the brief quote in a blog is I think actually an entire interview with the subject by a right-wing blog (subject is left-wing) on the topic of one of his claims to notability (STV opponent). His opponents (members of the citizens assembly) are on public record saying he played a lead role in the defeat of this notable referendum. c) his own blog - used to verify facts/his claims. d) a story on his Facebook page sounds innocent. the fact is he claims it is BC's largest group, he raised questions covered in mainstream media about whether there was political motivation to its temporary cancellation, and it is part of his notability claim as a HST opponent. His advocacy and Facebook page built and built until the political alliance was created to make a formal referendum petition -- which by all accounts (600,000+ signatures) looks to be the first to succeed in passing the notoriously difficult petition phase required by legislation. e) mention in a bio of "someone else." That someone else is the "grand showman" of BC politics Bill Vander Zalm. The reference to the bio demonstrates the notable three-party alliance (left-wing NDP plus right-wing Conservatives and Social Credit fossil) that is driving the notable and legislatively-sanctioned official proponent of the HST petition.  f) a paragraph bio on a political site. this was used to source his university degree. It is the anti-STV society site, so is also proof that he was president of the notable organization that defeated STV. Canuckle (talk) 07:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)