Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Verna (2nd nomination)


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The result was   No Consensus. However, the article's advocates are strongly urged to beef up its referencing to prevent a return bout. Pastor Theo (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Bill Verna
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Relisting per Deletion review/Log/2009 July 5. Neutral. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 19:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Wrestled in main event matches in several countries for 20+ years; cited as an influence in shaping British wrestling; discussed in several newspaper articles and featured in a journal that is held in the libraries of many major American universities; championships held demonstrate that he competed at the top level of his profession, all of which combines to establish notability per WP:ATHLETE. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well refed to reliable sources in several countries. WWGB (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Sources at 2 & 3 fail WP:RS (both are hobby sites). Further evidence of Straits Times content needed. Was it a full report or just a result? If it was the latter it also fails WP:RS and doesn't prove notability. Other sources seem okay, but I lean towards a narrow fail of WP:N. All European Title's notability not established alongside the other title for which an attempt has at least been made. RICK ME DOODLE   YOU DOODLE  08:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems notable per various championships held and extensive career.  –Moondyne 03:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Adrian Street article places Verna in a large group. Needs individual praise. Wrestling Heritage is a fan site. Proof required for pass at WP:RS. Back up required also for the site hosted by Geocities as that also needs help under WP:RS. I'll see if I can get ahold of the Straits Times archives to confirm Rick Doodle's query. No opinion at present. Mad Dog Dunstan (talk) 11:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Rick about the hobby sites and I am yet to see any newspaper from the time period concerned provide enough coverage to be reliable which pushes out the Straits Times refs as well. Without those the article fails the notability test. Oh and the Adrian Street reference is no proof.  Get  Dumb   08:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.