Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Zanker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 07:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Bill Zanker

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Not notable, Fails WP:BIO. Rusf10 (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep A founder of The Learning Annex is a credible claim of notability and there are sources in the article, yet all he nominator can come forth with is an assertion of "Not notable. Fails WP:BIO." I knew about Zanker, but anyone who didn't could look at the line that says "Find sources" and click on "news" or "HighBeam", both of which bring up dozens of articles about Zanker -- a serial entrepreneur who's been in the press for decades -- in reliable and verifiable sources. This is one more in a string of AfDs by a nominator who appears to demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of WP:BEFORE. Based on this pattern of evidence, I think it's past time to topic ban User:Rusf10 from AfD, and certainly from nominating any further articles. Alansohn (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * We already have an article on the Learning Annex that covers this. There are some legitimate problems with this article. His various side projects/websites are not notable. And please stop the personal attacks. AFDEQ I could fill in the sentence "If it was up to me Alan Sohn would be...", but I'll refrain from doing so.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You have an affirmative obligation under WP:BEFORE to check for notability and to see -- among other steps -- "If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources." and that "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects."It doesn't appear that you have done that here or for any of the other articles you've nominated for deletion. My argument that you should be banned from nominating articles for deletion is bade on that premise. Feel free to shae with us your analysis of the sources about Zander and to show how you followed WP:BEFORE. Alansohn (talk) 02:25, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think what is making you upset here is a conflict of interest WP:COI. I have now noticed that both you and the subject of the article live in the same town. And to be honest with you, the article List of people from Teaneck, New Jersey probably should not exist and neither should about half the articles on that list. Believe it or not, every mayor of Teaneck does not qualify for an article.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:25, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Refs only seem to be tangentially about him, the fact that he's created a notable organization doesn't infer inherent notability on him. If there are some more refs out there specifically about him, I'd change my mind. I'm near the fence. South Nashua (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Deletion is not cleanup. Seems to be notable for the learning annex, various activities with Trump (including writing a NYT bestseller), and a number of other activities. There is some coverage.Icewhiz (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand references clearly notable. Again a Rusf10 vs. Teaneck deletion, as I said before, this appears to be a personal issue between Rusf10 and Teaneck, New Jersey in that we are now at 8 deletions of articles related to Teaneck, New Jersey. --RAN (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have nothing personal with Teaneck, you're the one making this personal. Its just that there are an absurd number of articles about people from this town that are clearly not notable. Many of those have been written by you, so you obviously have some connection to Teaneck.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If anyone else wants to see how ridiculous the number of articles are, they should just take a look at this page List of people from Teaneck, New Jersey. Over 250 people that are supposedly notable from a town of 40,000 people.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * What is the magic ratio of notable to non-notable? --RAN (talk) 05:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Again a Rusf10 vs. Teaneck deletion". This is an example of an editor who does not contribute to the encyclopedia, but feels entitles to be judge, jury and executioner of any article to satisfy any whim or grudge; heck the last 400 edits (!!!) of an editor with just over 2,000 edits are all related to AfD. As pointed out above, this type of non-contributing editor who refuses to comply with WP:BEFORE should be topic banned from XfD before some other editor becomes a target. Alansohn (talk) 05:37, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * When all other arguments fail, attack the nominator. I will again direct you to WP:AFDEQ. If I were "judge, jury and executioner" as you say there would not even be a discussion here. But rather than participate in a civil discussion you'd rather attack me. If anyone should be banned, its you for being uncivil.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:30, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- a founder of The Learning Annex is not a credible claim of significance, because notability is not inherited. Sourcing for stand-alone article are weak. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Failure of WP:BEFORE D1 on Google news, as suggested by User:Alansohn.   is a full in-depth article I found there.  I also note in those snippets ongoing attention to his role in ghost writing for Donald Trump.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


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