Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billy Moore (musician, born 1931)


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Billy Moore (musician, born 1931)

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Lacks significant coverage. Article has been copied and pasted several times (bypassing AFC declines) in what seems like an obvious attempt to game the system. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 14:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: a big issue here is that almost the entire article is copyvio from the newspaper article included, or from the AllMusic biography... if this is kept it will have to be rewritten. Richard3120 (talk) 15:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:COPYVIO of this and WP:TNT. What a mess. Bearian (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Comment, gsearch brings up lots (probably some/most deemed snips/mentions) of Moore ie.
 * Guyana Graphic - "Celebrating The Life of Neil V.I.M. Chan, A.A.",
 * Stabroek News - "Entrepreneurship on Robb Street yesteryear",
 * Caribbean Life - "Guyana mourns the loss of disco legend Neil Chan",
 * Guyanese Association of Barbados Inc - "Happy Holiday: Al Seales, Billy Moore and music at Christmas",
 * Guyana Artistes Carifesta '72 - "The Voices of Yesterday and Today - There are yet a few more singers and enertainors from the good old days who made a name for themselves internationally. Happy Holiday/You, You, You/Simply Tremendous, Ladies and Gentlemen Billy Moore and the Fabulous Four Lords is one of those groups ..." (page 5),
 * Guyana Folk and Culture - "Remembering: Cultural Colleagues Who Passed In 2016" (page 30) (small obituary),
 * Melodisc Records issued Love is Everywhere as a b side to King Sparrow's Calypso Carnival - here and issued by Parlophone as an a side - here,
 * the song Happy Holiday discussed here,
 * that song is called "the Greatest Caribbean Christmas song." by Guyana Chronicle - from "A Brief history of Guyanese Music" (page 20) (same article also states "Some of the great groups of the 50 and early 60s included The Four Lords ... Until the early 60s, it was the leading vocal group in Guyana. ... Their recordings include "Simply Tremendous", "You You You" and the classic "Happy Holidays". Composed by Lord Melody, it was on the Guyana Hit Parade three years."),
 * Guyana Folk and Culture - "Happy Holidays Al Seales, Billy Moore and Music at Christmas" (pages 16, 17),
 * so i reckon something here is wikinotable but is it Billy Moore, The Four Lords (and/or other band members), or "Happy Holiday"? Coolabahapple (talk) 03:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I am going to watchlist this for possible cleanup tomorrow. Lightburst (talk) 04:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate you helping, sadly I think this is gonna be a case of WP:TNT. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 19:41, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I already TNT'd the content. What is left is a skeleton. Not sure I can find more RS, but the article looks better minus the copyvio and with categories, sections and an infobox, Lightburst (talk) 19:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Lightburst. Now speedy deletion is out of the equation (with the copyvios removed, G12 is pointless), now is a question of is this subject notable enough to have an article. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 20:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep as the independent AllMusic bio is significant coverage with the book and newspaper sources and the music seems to have been released on notable labels, he also won a national cultural award so I believe there is enough notability for the article to stay now that the copyvio has been removed, imv, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Having some knowledge of his country's music, I am skeptical of the claim that Mr. Moore is an "icon", and there might actually be some merit to an article about his group The Four Lords. But now that the article creator's errors have been removed, the book-oriented sources found by the voters above will be enough for an article on Mr. Moore. He has a place in the history of his country's music, though sources that are not related to his lonely death will be thin on biographical details. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:24, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEYMANN by Lightburst. This is a useful article about someone who appears in two books about music (of Guyana and of Trinidad), and we also have an AllMusic bio and an obituary, certainly enough to show that he meets WP:BASIC. It seems that there was a profile of him in the newspaper Sunday Stabroek, and this book Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World Part 2 (Bloomsbury Academic, 2005) has a bit of information ("The Four Lords led by Billy Moore, for example, made their debut on this label") [possibly Melodisc Records, which is covered on that page]. It does seem that Billy Moore is notable. It's possible that the group and/or the song might also be notable, possibly even more notable, but we have this neutral, sourced article about the person, and as yet, no articles about either the group or the song, so that is surely a discussion for another day. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


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