Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billy Oman


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The result was delete.  Notable or not, the article fails WP:V for its complete lack of sources.  Sandstein  20:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Billy Oman

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Non-notable Irish soccer player from the 1940s Ecoleetage (talk) 22:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. He played in the Football League of Ireland, at that time the Republic of Ireland's top level of football (soccer). --Eastmain (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   —Eastmain (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete – Sorry to say at this time. Could find no information other that Wikipedia or mirror sites. ShoesssS Talk 23:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - If he were notable, wouldn't he have been a footballer rather than a soccer player? No ghits for this individual, although the name does come up (for others). If he's notable, let's have some cites. (I can be convinced.) Frank  |  talk  23:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - back when Oman was playing the term 'soccer' was widely used for football - it is short for association football and distinguished the game from rugby football. Such terminology has no bearing on a player's notability one way or the other. GiantSnowman 00:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Fair enough; the "footballer" comment should have been just that - a comment. But the rest applies - a search on his name brings up others. Notability has not been established. Frank  |  talk  01:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Level played at confers notability. Sources for this are going to be offline - i.e. Newspapers published in Irelsnd at the time he was active. The internet is not the only source. Mjroots (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Top Irish league, that's not much of a notability claim. Punkmorten (talk) 09:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment How can playing at the country's top leve not confer notability, irrespective of whether it was as a professional or not? Olympics athletes were all amateurs until fairly recently. Mjroots (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because the Irish league in the 1940s is not the highest level of an amateur sport. Punkmorten (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - As far as we can see he - unfortunately - has nothing written about him (printed or internet) and could therefore easily be a hoax or minor player. Evidence is needed. GiantSnowman 01:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't believe the top Irish league was fully professional at the time, and therefore he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually, he does meet WP:ATHLETE - Competitors and coaches who have competed 'at the highest level' in amateur sports (who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them). Mjroots (talk) 12:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No he doesn't. Football was not an amateur sport at the time - there were professional clubs. However, the ROI league was not fully professional. Using your argument would mean that players of top division clubs in the Faroes and San Marino are notable, when they clearly aren't. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  17:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well said. Punkmorten (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:VER - no sources, supporting citations or other references offered or available. For reasons of VER alone, should be removed. Also fails WP:NN - the "highest level in amateur sports" in this context is a place with the national team. Transport F.C. are hardly top-flight. Even Bohs at the time were also a struggling team. If Oman helped Bohs to any major silverware I could see a case, but Bohs didn't win a single piece of silverware in those 2 years (or in fact for about 10 years either side of Oman's tenure). Guliolopez (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


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