Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bingo wings (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Anthropometry of the upper arm. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D  22:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Bingo wings
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Survived first deletion debate because it was in a dictionary. However WP:NOTADICTIONARY. Wikipedia doesn't have articles on every entry in Chambers Dictionary, and if we're going to start doing so, this phrase would not be among the trailblazers. This is a slang neologism, not in widespread use, seems to mainly be known to fans of a particular television show. Conical Johnson (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom. Or, in case, redirect to Bo' Selecta!. McMarcoP (talk) 09:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This facet of human antomy (This article was marked as an anatomy stub.) is a perfectly valid subject. One simply needs to know the right name and the actual science (as opposed to what is (misre)presented as fact by a television comedy programme). Uncle G (talk) 15:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, and there's already an article for pannus. Conical Johnson (talk) 18:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Try again.  That's not the right name for the subject that involves fat on the upper arm and (amongst other things) what happens to it as one ages.  Uncle G (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's really no need for things like "Wrong. Try again." I'm just trying to make WP better. I presume you're doing the same, so why try to pwn me like we're playing Halo 3 or something? Conical Johnson (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Wrong." is the response to "Right". And it's only you who is thinking that this is a game. Uncle G (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete & redirect to pannus. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest more reading. You could start with reading the article, which, since you wrote below the horizontal rule here, you clearly haven't done yet.  Uncle G (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a very short attention span. It can also be merged to anthropometry. But I think pannus works okay. Otherwise delete. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * An opinion based upon not even reading the article at hand isn't a useful opinion. As is an opinion based upon not reading what a pannus actually is.  Uncle G (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Pannus is a medical term for a hanging flap of tissue." -Wikipedia's pannus article. The Bingo wings article is a lot harder to make out (it doesn't ever say what Bingo wings are) but it seems to have something to do with being tricep skin folds. As far as I can tell it's basically a slang term. So redirecting it to encyclopedic content seems an excellent idea. If anyone has a better idea or care to fix the article I'm happy to reconsider. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the huge amount of addition you've done to the article since I nominated it, but clearly your additions have nothing to do with the term "bingo wings". The article doesn't even mention the term anymore. It seems there is a disconnect between you and the voter below this comment; do the keepers want the article to be academic (which I think is valid, but should be renamed in this case) or about the use of the phrase "bingo wings" (in which case I still feel deletion is in order)? Conical Johnson (talk) 19:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could be redirected to a more medically appropriate title, and have a section in that article called "Bingo Wings"? The Weak Willed 19:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * TheWeakWilled has hit the nail on the head. A full article (which this stub is far from being) on the anthropometry of the upper arm would cover things such as the age-related changes in these measurements.  (There are published tables of the means and standard deviations, for some populations, for these measures.)  In particular, it would cover the age-related changes and even seasonal changes (which have been studied for several populations) in measured fat, bone, and muscle that are the reality of the phenomenon that has been informally described in this article (and elsewhere) as "tuckshop arms", "batwings", "bingo wings", and other such names. This article isn't about the phrase, and never was.  (Ironically, the very WP:DICT policy that you referenced in your nomination makes it clear that articles about the people/concepts/events/places/things that their titles denote.)  It's about the biological phenomenon, and has been from pretty much its very first version.  As I wrote above, what one needs to know is the right name and the actual science, rather than the "facts" that people foolishly think a television comedy programme has imparted.  The actual science, redirected from the silly television comedy programme name, will inform the reader. Readers coming to Wikipedia from a television comedy programme thinking that "old people get bingo wings" and learning the more complex biological reality.  Imagine that!  It would be almost like an encyclopaedia.  &#9786; Uncle G (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Widespread use:, , , , , , . The Weak Willed 19:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I m not sure that any of these justify the use of the term as the title for the article, at least with the present material, and I urger Uncle BG to suggest something more appropriate.    DGG ( talk ) 21:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I already did. It was in boldface in the first sentence of the article at the point that I added the horizontal rule hint above.  I also created a redirect ready to be renamed over.  And one can even put that name into a search engine and come up with some of the sources that I've used and still have yet to use.  Once one knows the right name, one finds that there's actually quite a lot of science dealing with what people who know only television comedy know as "bingo wings".  &#9786; Uncle G (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What would the accurate name be for this? If the article is intended to be a scientific anatomy article (which I think would be great) the name certainly needs to change and "bingo wings" can redirect to the new name. Conical Johnson (talk) 06:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the correct name for this aspect of the human anatomy would be pannus. McMarcoP (talk) 10:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I withdraw my nomination for deletion, since this article now has a completely different name and completely different content. Conical Johnson (talk) 02:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.