Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birch Hill Cemetery


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Birch Hill Cemetery

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Fails WP:GNG as no significant coverage, contested PROD Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - It has had significant coverage, both local and national as it was profiled on the PBS doc A Cemetery Special by noted documentarian Rick Sebak.   It was correct to contest the prod. --Oakshade (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge to History of Fairbanks, Alaska - I see two things here. First, the creator of this article previously created Death of Jamison Thrun, which is utter piffle, showing flagrant disregard for WP:NOTNEWS, and an article which should have come up for AFD long before this one did.  Since Thrun was buried at Birch Hill, I get the impression that the motivation was to create this article as a coatrack to that article.  Speaking as someone who has lived in Fairbanks most of my life, this would come across as some rather bizarre reasoning, especially since there are a lot of actually notable people buried at Birch Hill.  Perhaps it may be necessary for that user to chime in on this discussion.  Second, this cemetery is just as notable as the Clay Street Cemetery.  Both articles are underdeveloped to the point of being practically useless.  We really should take into consideration that NRHP articles proliferate on here because copying and pasting templates and PD material is far easier than writing and sourcing an article from scratch, not necessarily because the places are of greater significance.   Far too much undue weight is given on Wikipedia to an NRHP listing as a determinant of historical significance.RadioKAOS (talk) 05:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of surprised Birch Hill isn't an NRHP site already, it certainly is a landmark in Fairbanks. I've been traveling the last 21 hours so I won't be going through all the refs I've found with my Highbeam account right this minute but at a glance it looks like there is some useful stuff there. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 09:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep - Cemeteries should have a very low inclusion bar for the same reason that high schools do — they are community landmarks and apt to be mentioned in comprehensive biographies. These links should be blue, not red. Carrite (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with the principle that cemeteries should have a very low inclusion bar, and I agree that they are useful for links in building the encyclopedia.  But I think cemeteries have a connection to the gazetteer and populated places more than to high schools.  In this case I haven't had any success in finding a decent map for this cemetery, which in my mind makes it of questionable notability as a part of the gazetteer.  Nor have I been able to identify the nature of the business.  There was an appeal to replat the cemetery listing "Birch Hill Cemetery, Inc."  Another source claims the land was donated to an association 70 years ago.  And the USA Today source says that the cemetery is run by the public works department of Fairbanks.  Meanwhile, Dun and Bradstreet Credibility Corp. shows a "Birch Hill Cemetery, Inc." in Soldatna and also one in Kenai.  Has anyone found a web page for the cemetery?  The NRHP nomination was for another cemetery in Fairbanks.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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