Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birdeatsbaby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:58, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Birdeatsbaby

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Band from Brighton. Speedy was contested on the grounds that the references do establish some importance, though very little of it, and only after no less than 12 IPs turned up to defend the article. The references are not exactly reliable. My own Google search turned up only this, not enough to solidly establish notability. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 14:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

*Delete per nom. LessHeard venU (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC) Comment restored after being removed by third party. turned out the deletion was legitimate, the comment was made by an indef-blocked impersonator. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment anon comments are due to their twitter feed.©Geni 16:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Falls short of WP:MUSIC at this time. Maybe next year.  No WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS.  Dennis Brown (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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A user not related to the arguement said it did have enough to establish notability. I have a screen shot and I've looked in my watchlist and I can't see the little note bit that said that anymore... As I said, I'm new.. Crystal Uzun (talk) 11:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit: I'm mistaken, I didn't take a screen shot. I copied and pasted the text:

22 April 2011 (diff | hist). . Birdeatsbaby; 05:23. . (-12) . . Melchoir (talk | contribs) (decline speedy; notability is asserted through (not exactly solid) sources)Crystal Uzun (talk) 11:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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I've mannaged to find more articles than just that... Once you asked the question if it went with the guidelines I replied and gave you evidence that it did. In more than one external link seperate from the band themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Despicable-Hero (talk • contribs) 10:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I am a newbie here, and I created this page and gave you the evidence you needed when asked. I don't know how to refer you back to the discussion page because I am new but...

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Does this band meet our inclusion guidelines? Has it been the subject of reliable significant third-party coverage? --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

Yes it has.

http://www.live-music-scene.co.uk/cd-reviews-content.asp?id=54

http://popculturemonster.com/index.php/2010/birdeatsbaby-bigger-teeth-ep-review/

http://www.vanguard-online.co.uk/1011ABEB.htm

http://thefourohfive.com/reviews/64

http://www.bluesbunny.com/tabid/122/xmmid/474/xmid/1654/xmview/2/default.aspx Crystal Uzun (talk) 04:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)"

From the talk page of Birdeatsbaby...

And then there's the one you added.. So there is more than one, and they're from various time periods...

They've been mentioned on various websites so they've had an somewhat of an impact there.

http://steampunkopera.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/birdeatsbaby/

http://www.vutrailblazer.com/opinion/the-best-musicians-you-ve-never-heard-of-vol-7-1.2150420

http://www.theregoesthefear.com/2010/12/10-for-2011-interview-bird-eats-baby.php

Also, I don't understand how I Would Set Myself On Fire For You is able to stay, and this page cannot. They're both influencial bands.

Crystal Uzun (talk) 10:42, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A spot check of the sources you mentioned shows that at least some of them are blogs with no editorial oversight. For example, the about page of live-music-scene.co.uk uses the first person singular rather extensively, which makes it a personal blog, therefore inappropriate to use as a reference to establish notability even if it's third-party. See what we mean by reliable sources. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, arguments pertaining to what else exists on Wikipedia are never taken in consideration in deletion discussions, except where the other articles have themselves been subjected to a deletion process, which is not the case here. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:08, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete or re-source all citations. None of the currently used references show notability.  If someone can find reliable sources with significant non-routine coverage, please do so and I'll change my vote.  --Tathar (talk) 10:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

They have been on BBC radio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00w4gm6

http://www.tastyfanzine.org.uk/singles103oct10.htm#Birdeatsbaby

http://www.metalteamuk.net/oct10reviews/cdreviews-beb.htm

http://popculturemonster.com/index.php/2010/birdeatsbaby-bigger-teeth-ep-review/

http://www.theregoesthefear.com/2010/12/10-for-2011-interview-bird-eats-baby.php

http://www.theregoesthefear.com/2010/12/10-for-2011-2-birdeatsbaby.php

http://redtrackmusic.blogspot.com/2010/11/ep-review-birdeatsbaby-bigger-teeth.html

http://www.blog.collectedsounds.com/?p=5093

http://thefourohfive.com/reviews/64

http://www.brightonsource.co.uk/bands/36-articles/1431-critic-november-2010-

http://www.brightonsource.co.uk/reviews/55-reviews/386-critic-demo-reviews-july-2009 http://hangout.altsounds.com/reviews/113269-belladonna-maleficent-birdeatsbaby-live-print.html

http://roar.onsugar.com/Introducing-Birdeatsbaby-14508621

http://tuned-out.com/?p=203 Crystal Uzun (talk) 09:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

I believe that the Birdeatsbaby's article has fulfilled the requirements to at the least, a satisfactory degree and should not be deleted. Crystal Uzun (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. No claim of notability. Keb25 (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have gone through the links; most of them are blogs or online music fanzines that don't appear to meet the reliable sources criteria. A few of them are reliable sources, but the problem is that those are trivial mentions rather than significant coverage.--bonadea contributions talk 17:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
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