Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birdhill services


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Birdhill services

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It's a service station. There are zillions of those in the US alone. Surely there are better things to write about?

Other than a few websites dedicated to service stations, there are no sources which discuss this topic. If this page is deleted the other articles in this series – List of motorway service areas in Ireland, Castlebellingham services, Enfield services, Lusk services, Paulstown services, Rathcoole services, Galway Plaza, Manor Stone services, and Junction 14 Mayfield – should be PRODed. I've left Barack Obama Plaza separate, because that one seems to have received some actual press coverage. Jc86035 (talk) 12:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 12:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - all per nom. These services stations are not notable at all. Except for Barack Obama Plaza, as that has received alot of coverage due its namesake. Spleodrach (talk) 13:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom, no notability for them. I'd be happy for all to be deleted except Obama Plaza and potentially the list of service areas in Ireland (possible that one picks up enough coverage across the whole set and I'm happy to agree it could be useful) Nosebagbear (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment See also Articles for deletion/Doncaster North services – it looks like the articles for the service stations in Ireland are modelled on the series of British service stations, which have existed for at least 13 years. There is an old AFD from 2006, Articles for deletion/Donington Park services, which was closed as keep. (I stand by my preference to delete this one, but Watford Gap services is a good article.) Jc86035 (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Mmm, not all service areas will warrant deletion. Many of the older ones will just build up articles, as well as the occasional focus on the odd one. If this AfD does indicate delete and set a rough consensus on stations I would ask that it doesn't trigger an avalanche of Prods just because they're a station - they will still need to be checked over case by case. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE, WP:NOTDIR and WP:GNG. It's just a service station with a few stores attached, hardly not a major shopping complex. I'm happy to bundle all the other articles into an AfD for nomination as well (with the exception of Barack Obama Plaza). Ajf773 (talk) 23:01, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's probably worth, once we're concluded here, throwing anything that hasn't had at least one of us say Keep it into PROD. At the end of the week all the ones that survived PROD can go into a bundled AfD (potentially along with anything that didn't get put in PROD to start with - judgement call by nom). This seems the safest/most legitimate way to do it. Just my $0.02 Nosebagbear (talk) 23:11, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. I've added PROD to all articles now. I can probably see an bundle AfD being a potential trainwreck as it was for two previous attempts to nominate every UK service area article for deletion. Ajf773 (talk) 23:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for that Ajf773 - you may well be right on the AfD front. Did you prod the Obama Plaza/service areas in Ireland? Just wanted to check as I couldn't find them but you said all - just checking to deProd them if you had included them. As a side note to everyone, the articles are in the "14th July" category, though your computer might show 15th, depending on gadgets used. :) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment Meanwhile, coincidentally, I have been building List of historic filling stations and creating new articles on various Filling stations. Are any of these ones architecturally distinctive or listed buildings? —Doncram (talk) 12:29, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - Preferably I'd prefer merging and having one big article but there we are, Like above there's nothing notable about service stations. Fails NOTDIR & GNG.. – Davey 2010 Talk 13:18, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge. There is List of motorway service areas in the United Kingdom which is somewhat better than current List of motorway service areas in Ireland;  merger to the latter seems reasonable, and discussion about improving that list-article should happen at its Talk page.  Some participant(s) here once went apoplectic about my statement at a previous AFD that if there is a Wikipedia article about something, maybe that something was more notable than other somethings not having Wikipedia articles.  That may be the case here.  Anyhow, coverage of motorway service areas would in my view naturally be better accomplished in list-articles with the service areas presented in geographical order along their routes, and with photos and footnotes (as in the UK list), and with coordinates viewable in a GeoGroup link to Google maps, and with some sourced description text about each one conveying something about its importance.  Better done in a list-article, and with rational discussion about standards at its Talk page. --Doncram (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is absurd to suggest that service stations cannot be notable. The article Motorway service area is completely okay, and it is completely okay to split out a list of service areas from it, that is a matter for discussion about article size etc at its Talk page and is not for AFD.  AFD about scattered items is not the best place to discuss standards for inclusion in the list-article which can be decided by its editors.
 * By the way, I removed PRODs on a few articles mentioned above, given that this AFD is ongoing and IMO that merger/redirect to an available, existing list-article, as here, is almost always preferable to outright deletion (except cases of blatant copyvio perhaps). The Ireland service areas list-article was either not PRODed by anyone or else someone else removed the PROD there. --Doncram (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * With the content of this article (and many other UK/Ireland services articles) being solely a list of facilities, there is nothing of value to merge. Of course there are a few exceptions. Ajf773 (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment About the deletion nomination statement, what is wrong with "websites dedicated to service stations" as sources; we generally use webpages on a topic for coverage of a topic.  Browsing in the Google searches, I see a lot of hits on business directory type listings and business opportunity mentions, and there are transport and infrastructure fan website mentions such as [ link struck out "Could do with a proper online service area near Cashel alright. M7 wipes the floor with Barack Obama Plaza & Birdhill services all between Portlaoise and Limerick."].  There is [ link struck out this Revolvy site] (doesn't look particularly reliable, i dunno if it is a wiki) speaking about it having been created as a service area in just 2014, which would go against notability.  There's more than I am going to wade through. Can anyone else do some proper searching for anything about architecture and economic development and otherwise?  (one or both of those links are on a Wikipedia blacklist forcing me to strike) --Doncram (talk) 20:21, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


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