Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birds in Meitei culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Meitei culture. Further discussion into merge can be discussed in the talk page, if appropriate, outside AfD. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Birds in Meitei culture

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Author's WP:SYNTHESIS  Pepper Beast    (talk)  13:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India and Manipur.   Pepper Beast    (talk)  13:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * According to WP:SYNTHESIS, in case of A + B = C, there should have explicit A and B but C cannot be explicit. I don't find any type of statement that is claiming to be such things that are not published. Many things are significantly represented in many mythologies. To summarize those things in a article have many examples, such as Birds in Chinese mythology, Ravens in Native American mythology, etc. I am just curious, why it seems to be WP:SYNTHESIS.  Nokib Sarkar  Poke 18:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Per Nokib Sarkar, can you point out which ideas you believe are synthesis, PepperBeast? I don't see it either just yet. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In our discussion of Plants in Meitei culture, PB established that they believe the author synthesized a connection among all birds with Meitei culture and that what we'd need is sources saying "Birds in Meitei culture" is a discrete idea that has already been recognized by sources. While I was looking for sources on plants in Meitei culture, I was in Google Books. Here's what I got for birds: Google Books.
 * Not as clear as with plants or ethnobotany, but it's not nothing at all. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any sources in the first two pages that might be relevant here, could you clarify which, if any, you feel is relevant? Brusquedandelion (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge. Not every element of Meitei culture needs to have its own separate article when there is already page on Meitei culture where these segments can be merged to. Additionally, unless independent sources are discussing "Birds in Meitei culture" as a conjunct, such an article does not seem to be in the spirit of the notability rules/guidelines. Brusquedandelion (talk) 01:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 05:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep : All the information are cited by independent reliable sources in English and Indian languages, which anyone can scrutinize. There's no synthesis of anyone. Everything is supported by the citations. --Haoreima (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: The nominator should answer counter-claims to the SYNTH claim. Geschichte (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The nominator has not seen any sources on the topic of Birds in Meitei Culture or similar, and believes that the author of the article has patched it together from disconnected elements of Meitei folklore. If multiple, independent, reliable sources can be found on the topic of Birds in Meitei culture, then this is a reasonable article topic. Otherwise, it's just sparkling synthesis.  Pepper Beast    (talk)  16:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to Meitei culture; had a look and I just don't see the sources. This isn't about birds in Meitei culture, it's just a bunch of Meitei folk tales and myths that happen to involve some kind of bird. The OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument is also rather weak; the Chinese mythology article is about a much more prominent mythology with (more importantly) more sources, and the ravens one is about a specific kind of creation tale as far as I can tell. AryKun (talk) 13:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.