Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birney Elementary School Shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Birney Elementary School Shooting

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Fails WP:NOT and WP:EVENT. There have been no lasting effects and little geographical scope, the coverage is sparse, no more than what you'd expect and mostly limited to the US. Ironholds (talk) 11:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. (GregJackP (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC))
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Although it did happen in a school parking lot an hour before school hours, it's a stretch to call it a "school shooting" or even a "workplace shooting". This was a domestic dispute that had nothing to do with the elementary school itself, other than that's where the stalker happened to find his victim.  Mandsford (talk) 16:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete One person was shot and killed by a stalker, who was in turn shot dead by police. The victim was walking to work before school started, before the students were present. This has little in common with notable school shootings like Columbine. Fails Notability (criminal acts),  Notability (events) and WP:NOTNEWS. See also the essay News articles. Edison (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I initially found this article in newpage patrol, I added the first references. Indeed, after review, I do not think this shooting has enduring notability.  Jujutacular  T · C 19:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No please. Just a murder that falls foul of WP:NOTNEWS. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree it is not perhaps in the true pure classic american sense a school shooting, but a shorting on school grounds ; this arouses similar emotions. My own view, that I hope WP will come to, is that every murder is a matter of permanent historical importance. For the moment, I am content to argue that every murder with something distinctive about it is of such importance.  It's a murder  at a school grounds--and the latest statistic I can find, from 1995, says that "approximately 50 homicides or suicides happened on school grounds or on the way to school in 1995."   It has probably increased since then, but it's still a very rare event.    DGG ( talk ) 20:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, now if you could just make an argument using our actual policy rather than some pipe dream idea of what you'd like policy to be, we can all move on with our lives. Ironholds (talk) 20:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Rough day at the office, I guess. Mandsford (talk) 21:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * A journal submission on the Charter of Fundamental Rights to grind through. Close enough. Ironholds (talk) 21:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I got my J.D. in 1985, so if it's a law review (or for that matter, any other type of academic journal), then I sympathize. April's bad enough without the added pressure, and I'm glad I never went on to the "publish or perish" line of work.  Anyway, DGG's way more inclusionist than anyone I know, but he's basically a nice guy.  I guess we all have our ideas about what Wikipedia should be.  Best wishes.  Mandsford (talk) 02:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * European Law Review (very hopefully) and another thing to work on for the Journal of Legal History. But yes, I'm sure DGG's a nice chap, and I apologise for snapping; I have a particularly short fuse when I feel people aren't addressing an issue (however correct or incorrect that feeling may be). Ironholds (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You guys haven't noticed that I said comment, not keep. I  know  the difference between what I think Wikipedia   ought to be and what it is. When I make an argument that I know is not generally accepted, I don't pretend that it is. But it is possible that others will feel that way also. Opinion gradually shifts, and if one doesn't venture to make an argument, change is impossible. The only reason I do not make a fuller argument is because I'm concentrating on prods these days. BTW, anyone who thinks I'm the most extreme inclusionist at afd isn't looking very carefully--perhaps I may be the one who people pay attention to because I make interesting arguments. And as for !voting, on this page I count 6 keep, 4 delete, and 2 merge.   DGG ( talk ) 02:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I count one user who can't do basic mathematics. There are five "votes" on this page, excluding your comment and the nomination. All are delete. Are you getting this confused with another page? Ironholds (talk) 05:33, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.