Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bishop Foley Catholic High School (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn. More people want to see this article repaired than deleted; also, deletion of an article is not a valid substitute for proper cleanup. Thank you to everyone who contributed with their opinions. Please assist in locating academic sources so I don't have to do this again. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Bishop Foley Catholic High School

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This is the second time this discussion has begun. I've noticed that the page in question contains a general lack of secondary and tertiary sources, which are hard to find.

Another problem is that the page is formatted as though it's an advertisement. I personally believe that this article qualifies under WP:TNT, as no amount of repair will fix this. The sexual assault controversy with former school president Gerry LeBoeuf, though notable in its own right, is not nearly notable enough to be included. While alumni Tom Jankiewicz & John Keating are very notable in their own right, they are pretty much the meat of the article, minus multiple statistics and MHSAA sport listings.

Finally, the article severely violates WP:V, depending too much on primary sources; however, as stated previously, secondary sources are hard to come by.

Before you ask, I did check all the established alternatives to deletion and determined that none of them will work in this case.

P.S. Source searching per WP:BEFORE is not required (as stated by User:FOARP); however, I did conduct a brief search for reputable sources, coming up short. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, Christianity,  and Michigan.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The school has been around for 57 years, since 1965. In that time there have been at least 3 more sex scandals other than the one you mention. Of course, as you say, BEFORE is not required, but IMO, it is malpractice to nominate an article without performing it. When I typed in a google search I came up with lots of sources, including the 4 sex scandals already mentioned, this about the founding of girls football in Michigan. Since the internet (and google search) wasn't even around for most of their existence, I'm venturing there's tons of stuff in old newspapers and other offline sources. Deletion is not cleanup. This article could use cleanup, but it is verifiable, it meets the general notability guideline. It needs to be improved, not deleted. Jacona (talk) 19:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Notability is not temporary. Almost exactly one year ago, Articles for deletion/Bishop Foley Catholic High School this article was kept. What has happened to "revoke" it's notability since then? — Jacona (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that; however, reputable sources are hard to find. As we speak, I'm performing a search for sources. Again, I'm coming up short (minus the school website, of course). Most of them are sports related. I guess the question now becomes the following: how do we clean this up? The article consists of a lot, and I do mean a lot of loose unconnected threads. How do we tie them together? Any help would be much appreciated. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Namethatisnotinuse, Have the sources that were deemed sufficient one year ago disappeared? — Jacona (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, they haven't. However, there are no sources (even in the set of sources Wikipedia presents above) besides the aforementioned sex scandals and sports statistics. What do we prove about the academic portion?
 * P.S. Most secondary schools (to the best of my knowledge) have no good info outside of the school website. Also, to be completely honest, there might be a conflict of interest at work here. I am a current student at the school who is concerned about the school's outer image. If there is a major conflict of interest, feel free to close this as a speedy keep. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 12:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nothing has changed. Sources sufficient to meet WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Judging by the results of the previous discussion, this discussion is 100% going to be snowballed. Please assist in locating reputable academics-related sources, and don't be afraid to re-list if something I didn't notice comes up. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -- We have usually regarded secondary schools as notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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