Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bishop Sebastian Mankuzhikary

Sebastian Mankuzhikary
Only reference in Wikipedia is in Matthew Mankuzhikary, a relative (which I'm also tagging for deletion). Got 42 Google Hits for "Sebastian Mankuzhikary". Article is quite enthusiastic, looks like it was written by a descendant (or maybe by Matthew). JoaoRicardo 05:36, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

UPDATE: Mar Sebastian Mankuzhikary was the auxiliary bishop, and for one year the bishop, of the Archdiocese of Ernakulam-Angamaly of the Syro-Malabar Church. The Syro-Malabar Church is an Eastern Rite (Oriental) Catholic Church with a strength of four million. Ernakulam-Angamaly, situated in Kerala, India, is the Major Archdiocese of the Syro-Malabar Church.


 * Delete Less than 50 Google Hits, and no evidence of notability outside the article itself that I can see. Maybe a redirect to a list of bishops? (is there such thing?) [[User:Consequencefree| Ardent &dagger; &isin; ]] 06:14, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep . I doubt the Google test is very useful in a case like this. Have you searched Google in Malayalam as well? The article looks like an obituary from a church publication, but a bishop is probably of enough local and regional significance to deserve an article. Would a bishop of a Catholic diocese in e.g. England have been nominated for deletion for lack of notability? / up+land 13:49, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I have stubbified the article (something from the original version can perhaps still be worked back in) and modify my vote here. Mankuzhikary held an important position in an ancient church, which in terms of membership may seem small in a country like India, but is the size of some national churches in Europe (see data below). It is important to avoid cultural bias in a case like this, taking into account that language and transcription problems probably makes the information easily available and searchable in English less than complete. / up+land 00:13, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. A Bishop is a fairly senior post but if you check the article, he was a Bishop in the Syrian Catholic Church which is a semi-autonomous church, and not the full Roman Catholic Church. According to this website there are only 30,000 Syrian Catholic Church adherents outside of their middle-east base. If we could get some confirmation of the number of people in his diocese then that might help make it clearer whether he was a substantial religious leader or not. If he only ever had a flock of a few hundred even while called a Bishop, then that would not be notability. Dbiv 14:43, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * After reading some of the links below, weak keep. Would still like more info. Dbiv 01:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * You are looking at the wrong church. Sebastian Mankuzhikary was bishop in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (See data on him at the "catholic hierarchy" site), which is part of the Christian tradition (of ultimately Syrian origin) which has been native to India for 15 centuries or more. According to their own statistics, the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church has 3,596,198 members and is divided into 26 dioceses, which makes an average of 138,000 individuals per diocese. / up+land 16:57, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * PS. A page on the diocese and the present bishop: http://www.thesyromalabarchurch.org/thamara.htm Data on the diocese of Thamarasserry: Area: 5,893 sq.kms. Catholics: 1,15,356. Languages: Malayalam. I suppose "1,15,356" is to be read as 115,356. / up+land 17:11, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, even if there a some hits in Malayam. Megan1967 00:03, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. All real bishops of all real churches are inherently notable. --Centauri 03:08, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep due to this link http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bmank.html which Uppland cited earlier. But massive cleanup. --JuntungWu 05:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, tribute. Wyss 22:46, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously. GRider\talk 23:34, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, should probably be moved to Sebastian Mankuzhikary. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy)  23:57, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, I can easily imagine someone having good reason to look up this name.
 * Strong keep. Agree with up+land and Centauri. Alarm 12:06, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

~ Bijee 23:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, As per Problems that may require deletion at Deletion policy I dont see any reason to delete this article.
 * Google hit should not be considered on this article, lived in Kerala, not a politician or a film star.
 * written by a descendant - if it was a relative then there would have been more contents at related article of Matthew Mankuzhikary. I believe it is by somebody who was influenced by Bishop Sebastian Mankuzhikary, and that should be OK.
 * I suggest a rename to Sebastian Mankuzhikary
 * Thanks up+land for the information.
 * As a Malayalee I know the importance of a Catholic Bishop on the community in Kerala.