Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bistro Moncur


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The result was Nomination withdrawn -- JForget  23:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Bistro Moncur

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This reads like spam to me, but it claims to be twice a "Restaurant & Catering Association Awards for Excellence Winner" and twice "Awarded Two Chef's Hats" by the Sydney Morning Herald Good Food Guide. I'm not convinced this makes it notable. Grahame (talk) 01:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn, I accept this has some notability.--Grahame (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   —Grahame (talk) 02:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - significant restaurant - many sources to support this and thus meets notability guidelines. Else possible redirect to currently redlinked article on the chef.  See for example http://www.miettas.com.au/Australia/New_South_Wales/Woollahra/Bistro_Moncur.html which states Bistro Moncur defies change, since 1993 this place has been the benchmark for bistro style in Sydney and also mentions other published opinions - not just the Sydney Morning Herald.  See also http://gourmettraveller.com.au/bistro_moncur.htm AfD should not be a request for clean up and unfortunately I can't do a clean up right now.--Matilda talk 04:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are both travel guide-ish things that don't seem to meet WP:RS. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they would when it comes to food - they emphatically meet the criteria reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy at least to the same extent as newspapers on these sort of topics - ie food, restaurants, ... . If I look for restaurant reviews in Australia both Mietta's and Gourmet Traveller would be up there with the Sydney Morning Herald reputation wise.  Perhaps you can clarify how you think these do not meet WP:RS for this topic so we don't talk at cross purposes--Matilda talk 04:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They don't seem to be substantial coverage; one is just a one paragraph, fluffy review and the other is a much longer amalgamation of fluffy reviews as well. Maybe if strung together with other sources (i.e. more than just reviews), they could work. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - it is not a question of "clean up", it is a question whether any restaurant who gets at least 2 chef's hats (out of 5?) in a newspaper's guide if notable enough to have an article. That could amount to hundreds of thousands world wide.--Grahame (talk) 06:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Wikiepdia is not an indiscriminate directory, just selling good meals expensively is not notable.  A restaurant would have to have something else to be notable, where a significant menu item was invented or a significant meeting occured, for instance. Gus's is just marginally notable for introducing outdoor pavement cafes to Canberra, but not for its food.--Grahame (talk) 06:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - point of clarification; "chef's hats" for both Sydney Morning Herald and The Age Good Food Guides are highly prized and judged annually. Refer for example to 2007 Sydney winners here - seven Sydney restaurants were awarded three hats (highest) and 14 (including Bistro Moncur) received two hats.  So on that basis (and both Sydney and Melbourne Good Food Guides are well credentialled) Bistro Moncur would be rated among the top 20 or so Sydney restaurants - for what that's worth. Murtoa (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - article was viewed only once in the entire month of february. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 06:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ... but the article was only created on 4th March!? Murtoa (talk) 10:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - article on chef has been created - see Damien Pignolet‎; thus available for a possible redirect --Matilda talk 05:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   —Matilda talk 05:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


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