Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bit8


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Bit8

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Promotional article of a company that fails WP:NCORP. Was speedily deleted yesterday, and already recreated by a likely COI/paid editor. Any useful content could be added to its parent company, Intralot. Edwardx (talk) 10:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi - I have left a message to the original editor who speedily deleted the page citing policy G11. I have rewritten the article to remove any unintentional content that could be interpreted as being promotional. I am not a paid editor or have conflict of interest. The company in question is one of the best known platform companies in the online gaming industry and I had found it strange that there was no article about it (like many other companies in Malta). I will be adding more content to address this though am finding the process a bit frustrating with two deletion nominations and not sure why. Maltalinks (talk) 11:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Have rewritten the paragraph mentioned by EdwardX. Hope this version is more acceptable like this. Many thanks for the useful tips, please bear with me as I am treating this article as a bit of a learning curve - will try to get this one right before writing more. Maltalinks (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


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 * Merge - Whatever information is salvageable can be included in the page for Interlot. There is nothing out there to show Bit8 is independently notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as fundamentally non-notable independently. jcc (tea and biscuits) 19:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * First of all - a genuine thanks to Seraphimblade, Edwardx, CNMall41, jcc for your time. This experience will help me improve future submissions and articles to Wikipedia. I have looked carefully at the WP:COMPANY notability guidelines and in my opinion Bit8 falls under the notability criteria. I would appreciate it if you can point out anything wrong with my reasoning below so I'll make the right decisions in the future:

As declared in my page, I had worked in the online gaming industry in Malta (over 10 years) and my motivation is to document the adoption of AI in this particular industry. This information is missing from Wikipedia.

Regarding the merge comment, the Bit8 company still operates independently with its own brand and its technical contributions to the industry were made many years before the Intralot acquisition. Merging this information within Intralot would distort the historical record, and would make it look like Intralot created all the stuff like player lifetime value optimization, etc. This is why I believe that the article entry should remain independent and separate to be a true and accurate historical description of one of the early adoptions of AI in the online gaming industry. As I do more research on this topic there will be more references to these origins and I do not think it would make sense to link them to Intralot - it would be like merging DeepMind into the Google article (of course on a smaller scale, but you get the gist).

Appreciate your feedback and your time - this discussion will help me make a more efficient contributor to Wikipedia in the future. Would appreciate it if the deletion tag is removed.

(I have also looked at List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_in_online_gambling and many articles need a bit of a cleanup, which I can do in a responsible manner.) Maltalinks (talk) 08:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Hi, you need to also take a read of WP:NCORP, especially WP:ORGIND and you need to look for references that are intellectually independent. The CalvinAyre reference relies on an interview (verbatim) with the founder and CEO and fails WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND. The SIGMA PDF magazine also fails as it is not intellectually independent as 1) Bit8 advertises with the magazine (page 10) and 2) the cover story on Bit8 is another verbatim interview with the CEO and founder and fails WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND. The Malta Communications Authority reference is an award to the platform and not to the company and contains no in-depth information on the company, failing WP:CORPDEPTH. The Malta Independent reference may be relevant but I do not know if the awards are notable. The eGR Awards are for the gaming industry where you need to join as a member and it allows advertising so I would have a question over the independence. Perhaps someone else has a better idea than me. There are two Times of Malta references. The first is based on a company announcement and a "celebration" of a strategic alliance and relies extensively on quotations from company sources, not intellectually independent and failing WP:ORGIND. The second is another verbatim interview with the CEO/founder and fails WP:ORGIND.  HighKing++ 16:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability. I am not convinced that the awards are significant but I'm happy to change my mind if shown to be wrong. For now, topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 16:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Hi, I think that the Times of Malta article does pass WP:ORGIND and this particular newspaper is the standard reference for most news originating in Malta. The EGR awards are the best known awards in the online gaming industry - this is something I know from my own 10+ years working in this industry and also if you Google it there are more than 400 references from different companies to the awards - which DO indeed make them notable. I have seen that the article was deleted - I do not agree but I guess if everyone keeps doing so just let me know and I will merge the content into the Intralot article. I personally think this is wrong but I cannot do much if people just delete the article without giving me the courtesy to do it myself. Maltalinkstalk 16:44, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


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