Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Björn Thorsell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Björn Thorsell

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Player fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. Checking resources on eliteprospects.com and eurohockey.com indicate that he never played beyond Swedish Division 1, let alone 200 games in Allsvenkan, or the Elite league. Flibirigit (talk) 04:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 04:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep as he played 247 games in Division 1 during a time period where the HockeyAllsvenskan didn't exist and was the Swedish second division. I'm making the assumption they're equivalent on WP:NHOCKEY grounds, but I could be easily mistaken as it seems silent on the matter (as Division 1 is not defunct). Not sure he otherwise passes WP:GNG. SportingFlyer (talk) 07:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It does actually cover it. It states "Those leagues not otherwise listed are considered to confer no presumptive notability to players, coaches, officials or executives, and articles about the same must explicitly demonstrate notability under the provisions of WP:GNG, WP:BIO or other valid notability criteria." So unless we changed WP:NHOCKEY/LA to actually include it, the player would need to fall under GNG. That being said there could be a valid discussion to include it based on the reason you stated but as of current it wouldn't be covered. -DJSasso (talk) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * And it actually is rather complicated; for most of the years he played, the Division I teams played a season of separate divisions where the top few advanced to a tournament called the HockeyAllsvenskan, for promotion to the top level. But it was not the same structure every year he played.  So was it the second division of Swedish hockey?  Maybe or maybe not.18abruce (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You both make interesting points. My frustration in trying to expand the article, came in not being able to find any stats to verify playing in the elite league. Flibirigit (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The other wrinkle is this isn't a defunct league: it's a league which moved down a level, so you wouldn't expect to see it on the defunct leagues list. SportingFlyer (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Any objections to a withdrawing the nomination in favour of a speedy keep, and discussion at WP:NHOCKEY/LA? Flibirigit (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep. Right now, he doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY, however, it appears that there's a decent argument that the omission of the league he played in at the time he was playing in is from WP:NHOCKEY/LA is the result of a simple oversight. A wider discussion is probably needed here. Ejgreen77 (talk) 12:13, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete lacks the coverage to pass the general notability guidelines, which all sportspeople must pass.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, lacks the coverage to meet GNG. A discussion as to the league that he played in is moot since all sportspeople articles still need to pass the GNG.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC).

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 06:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep regardless of the state of the WP:NHOCKEY guidelines and the possible need for clarification there, I think it meets WP:GNG. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I can only agree with above, passes WP:GNG. The league he played in and his achievements are covered.BabbaQ (talk) 09:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.