Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlackWeald


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. czar 05:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

BlackWeald

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC  // Timothy ::  talk  01:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  01:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, subject clearly non-notable. Domeditrix (talk) 11:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not sure how to do it, but I've added a link to a full review of a notable dark ambient site (not just a mention) ( The Dungeon In Deep Space Review ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.140.89 (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * An anonymously written blog is not considered a reliable source, and thus cannot be used to establish notability. Domeditrix (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I'm on mobile so it's pretty hard to edit this page :) Can you help me understand what counts as notable source for these kinds of niche projects? Eg. in comparison the page of the genre's most well known artist ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrium_Carceri ) hardly has more sources than it's own web page and similar kind of blog posts. Again, thank you for taking time in helping me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.140.89 (talk) 12:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, that article too is lacking in good citations. The guidelines for notability for bands can be found at WP:BAND. I suppose Atrium Carceri may meet point 4 of that list, but that's doubtful given most of the bands listed as being in the label's roster (Cold Meat Industry) also appear non-notable. Domeditrix (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi 176.63.140.89, I'd start by reading WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC and WP:BAND. New groups, especially those in niche markets, have a tougher time getting the sources that meet the Wikipedia criteria. Sources need to have "Significant coverage - addresses the topic directly and in detail" (database type sites simply announcing/documenting a release wouldn't count, unless they contain an independent review by an editor). They also generally need to have some kind of editorial policy/board to demonstrate reliability(objectivity) and independence (which means blogs are usually not used to establish notability).
 * I think the source that comes closest, if not meets this, is Brutal Resonance. I've been looking for more WP:RS and found one more on this site and added it to be article. If I have time, I will continue to look for sources. I noticed your IP is from Hungary, so if you find Hungarian language WP:RS, please add them. I personally hope this article passes as a Keep (I enjoyed listening to them last night). If it doesn't, it may garner additional reviews over time and it may be able to be recreated later with those new sources. It might just be WP:TOOSOON.
 * I hope this has been helpful and wish you success in finding sources. Please let me know if I can help you. I hope you create an account and continue to edit.  // Timothy ::  talk  14:56, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Charitably it is too soon for an article on this group. So far they have received a review in a specialty publication (the one being debated above) but otherwise all they have are short reprinted press releases and self-created social media promotions. They do not have the significant and reliable media coverage to meet the requirements for band notability. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I am Hungarian and I have never heard about this band (okay, they formed this year but still... Anyway that's not the point here. Sorry.) I looked them up and could not find anything besides the standard unreliable sites like databases, social media sites, sites where the word "BlackWeald" does not appear in the band's context (apparently it is also the name of some character in some video game), and reprinted press releases. This article is obviously the case of WP:TOOSOON. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, BlackWeald here! I've created this page of my project with only good intentions (after getting positive feedback and a few hundred listeners on streaming services), but I understand that it breaks these guidelines and therefor, marked for being deleted. My goal was to help people finding my project easier, and having a structured discography in written form. Sorry again if it's "too soon". Dark ambient is really an underground genre, so achieving these notability requirements is gonna be hard (eg. blog articles don't count as notable), but I'll try to make sure to only re-create the page when the requirements are met. Thanks for your help and kind words, Timothy ! Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.143.62.5 (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


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