Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Canary (Dinah Laurel Lance)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Keep, delete, redirect, merge this way, merge that way – this had no shortage of differing opinions, but not any consensus for one of them. RL0919 (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Black Canary (Dinah Laurel Lance)

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Plot summary unnecessarily split from Black Canary where I suggest this should be merged as a SOFTDELETE option. As a stand-alone article, this fails WP:GNG. Primarily just fictional character biography and a list of media appearances. Reception consists of "IGN rated her its 81st-greatest all-time comic book hero. She was number 26 on Comics Buyer's Guide's "100 Sexiest Women in Comics" list." which just confirms this as niche WP:FANCRUFTy character with no real-world impact. Black Canary is probably notable (probably - the reception at that article is as bad as here), but we certainly don't need two subarticles about her comic variants. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Comics and animation. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:37, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:33, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comments - I'm wondering. Have you read Summary style - jc37 07:02, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Including WP:AVOIDSPLIT, yes. You may want to refresh yourself on that part. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * While I agree that the pages need to be merged, perhaps it would be easier to insert the content from Black Canary and rename this page? (Yes, I'm new, and this may be a stupid question.) Rhishisikk (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rhishisikk What content would you like to insert where, exactly, and how would you rename the current article? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Let this page stay. It was split in order to keep the page from being overcrowded. That was one of the reasons why split this character off from the Black Canary page among other similar split-offs. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Keep, Delete, Redirect Merge, I still see no consensus among participants. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Dinah Laurel Lance's origin story is very confusing, even with dedicated fans. The true Black Canary is Dinah Drake, a character developed in the 40's and a member of the Justice Society. The hero was revised in the 60's by giving her powers and enrolling her into the Justice League. But it was the same character. Not until the 80's that this supposed daughter and idiotic storyline of hers appeared, because she was "too old" to hold the mantle. Very ageist and sexist. I think the two articles covering Black Canary should be merged, because there is truly only one heroine. --Irimia florin 11:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to Black Canary - I have pretty much the exact same thoughts as I wrote on the concurrent AFD for Black Canary (Dinah Drake). This is a clear WP:NOPAGE situation where covering the entirety of the topic of "Black Canary" in a single article just works better than splitting it out into three different articles, as it provides needed context and removes confusing navigation. Rorshacma (talk) 00:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Rorshacma as WP:REDUNDANTFORK. There isn't WP:SIGCOV to create three separate articles about this fiction. The sources cover this as a singular topic, not three. (Also noting support for merge among delete and keep !votes, per WP:ATD.) Shooterwalker (talk) 17:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.