Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Leather (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Stifle (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Black Leather (song)

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Tagged for notability since Dec 2007 and unreferenced since Feb 2008, prod removed because "it has been covered by 3 notable bands" (not withstanding notability cannot be inherited), still fails WP:NSONG--Richhoncho (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. My objection to the prod had nothing whatsoever to do with notability being inherited. The very guideline cited in the nomination states "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." We don't use prod for articles that our guidelines state are "probably notable".--Michig (talk) 20:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. This confirms versions by Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, Guns N Roses, and The Runaways. See also this and this. The Professionals originally recorded it, but it was credited to the Sex Pistols when released. We can certainly have a verifiable, properly sourced stub here.--Michig (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC) Jones also performed the song in solo performances .--Michig (talk) 21:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to band article per WP:NSONGS. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 23:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ged  UK  07:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * As nominator I would support merge with band article. --Richhoncho (talk) 16:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver  seren C 22:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I have tagged this article for rescue. Silver  seren C 22:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added the sources given here and some others to the article. It meets the requirement of needing to be covered by other notable bands, so it meets WP:NSONGS. Silver  seren C 22:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep A song is notable if its covered by several notable bands. I'm not sure if the constant arguing on the suggested guidelines have changed that, nor do I care, those things just suggestions, most people not even noticing the constant changes people make to them.  Common sense and consensus determine an AFD.   D r e a m Focus  04:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I note that two editors above have suggested merging to "the band article". Which band article would this be? The whole point of the guidance about songs performed notably by more than one performer is that there is no single redirect target, so redirection is inappropriate. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That is...a really good point. Silver  seren C 23:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:SONG states, "Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." The four references for this song ONLY confirm existance of different artists recording the song, notability for the song is not established and it is looking like it will never progress beyond stub status. NSONG also says 'most songs are not notable' At present there is nothing in the article other than it has been covered by a couple of artists (however notable those artists are - and remember, notability cannot be inherited, not even by a song!) Wikipedia would not lose one iota of information if this article became a redirect to The Professionals, noting that it had been covered by other artists. If you want an article that needs rescuing, have a look at Pretty Vacant, which, barring loads of very trivia information, is shorter than this article! --Richhoncho (talk) 08:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom's last comments, perhaps replace article with a disambiguation page pointing to the groups that have recorded it? That would have as much useful data as the article is likely ever to. -- Nuujinn (talk) 19:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The song is documented in numerous sources and so is notable. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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