Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Pink


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. Drmies (talk) 16:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Black Pink

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no debut, no charts (single or album), plain marketing promo The Banner talk 18:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Simply not true http://www.soompi.com/2016/08/08/blackpink-tops-charts-debut-tracks/ this seems to be vandalism since information regarding the proposed reason is available on the articles refs.Junkoo (talk) 18:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Blogs are no reliable sources, please read WP:RS. The Banner talk 19:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Somehow you missed this http://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=109&aid=0003371414 also CNN is a blog by that standart is CNN unreliable?Junkoo (talk) 19:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also soompi is registrated under Viki http://whois.domaintools.com/soompi.com https://www.viki.com/about not sure if that gives them any more credit to their name but it implies it isnt run by some kids in their basement.Junkoo (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The article should be deleted because right now they are simply not relevant enough to have their own page, they just debuted and Kpop fans have the habit to create for everything a page right away but it's also true that this group is from YG Entertainment and will be relevant soon therefore it's just a waste of time to delete the article, it would be re-created soon anyway (there was a similar discussion going on with NCT a while ago) but the sources are ridiculous and the whole page needs to be improved because right now I would almost agree with deleting it. I mean seriously? kpopstarz, allkpop, soompi? This page has like 2-3 reliable sources and that's it. Also Junkoo I get it you are a fan but if you want to help you should inform yourself how wikipedia works and read a few guidelines. --Thebestwinter (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I dont even know their names yet calling me a fan is disrespectful but i am a YG stan it clearly states on the KR/RS that allkpop soompi and the likes have reliable news sections since they are just korean translations just like the article above.Id be pressed to provide you with articles that arent true on their websites that are form their news section and most of the rumors/gossip is also accurate so guidelines are on my side on this one and even if they werent they dont trump common sense.Obviously the group has debuted.This deletion request is comeplete bollocks they have abviously debuted and are and have an all kill on realtime notability for a charting and highly talked about group is common sense.Junkoo (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "I dont even know their names yet calling me a fan is disrespectful" — First of all don't be overdramatic. I'm just trying to help you to understand but you are simply not understanding how things work here. I'm new myself and still learning, so some other users might help you to understand better than me but I'm gonna repeat it for you again: This band just released a single and the coverage presented is from Kpop news sites that have just repeated what they were told by the label in a tabloid style and also the page has only 2-3 reliable sources. If you want to discuss the reliability about allkpop and all the other unreliable websites you can open a new discussion but it was already done years ago and the result was obvious. Their charting positions will be released starting next week but right now they have no notability. They have released music now so yes they will be relevant enough soon that's why I voted to keep the article but if an actual admin would make a decision right now I'm pretty sure it would be redicted or deleted.--Thebestwinter (talk) 19:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Im not being overdramatic im just stating an opinnion anyway.Ive oppened the discussion on the talkpage (been meaning to do it for a while) its basicly already done its just put in the wrong section so theres not much to argue either way.Also if NTC and Red velvet ect pages are anything to go by these types of claims of it being too soon fall flat on their face.Its gonna be 3 days or so till Inkigayo even more news will pop up about them on the korean sites and will be mentioned in round up articles so it is a waste of time to delete this article and ridiculous after so many simmilar discussion to debate it.Wikipedia is about delivering information to the user and alot of searches happen in this period so its counterproductive to the project to delete it.At the most i can accept a keep with needed impovement.(IMHO)Junkoo (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Your article states that they will debute op 14-8-2016, so they have not yet debuted. The article also states that the song and album have not reached relevant notable charts (= charts with an article on Wikipedia). The Banner  talk 19:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That date is for Inkigayo it will be their debut music show (any subsequent release that will be featured after these 2 will be called comebacks as per Kpop terminology) not their debut mv release which already happened i guess if you dont understand much about Kpop or are new to it it can be confused.Also please wait till the 18th if you require a chart listed in aan arbitrary list on wikipedia (Gaon) since oviously being number one on all realtime charts is not enough to determine charting in 2016.I could go into how all kill status is more important than that list on wikipedia but since all that Gaon does is agrigate the already number one scores of other charts it seems pointless.Junkoo (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please tone down a bit. Point is that you and your article have to adhere to the rules of Wikipedia. It is not the case that Wikipedia has to conform to Kpop, Yk and other marketing companies. Read the notability guidelines, read the guidelines for reliable sources. And please, if you are closely involved in a subject (fan, employee), you better not edit the page as it is extremely difficult to keep the article neutral in tone and style. The Banner talk 19:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Im not insulting you im not demeaning you so please dont tell me how to write.Second we meet the guidlines period charts are being topped news is being written sources are being ref.Also ive mostly done citing and my part was merged from a previous article so take it up with that user.I dont see anything thats breakign neutrality.Junkoo (talk) 19:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read Wikipedia Reliable Sources. Also please read WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources that clearly states that Alkpop en Soompi are NOT reliable sources. The Banner talk 19:53, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have read it Allkpop "in addition to accurately reported facts." and for Soompi it doesnt even state a reason as to why it isnt reliable it just says "An English-language website K-pop site."Junkoo (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly someone has an axe to grind against K-pop groups. The precedents for notability have long been set in this area. There is no question that the subject has significant impact of interest to a wide audience, bolstered by its high-profile debut and by its influential parent company. --Icmer In Nyc (talk) 20:22, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice suggestion, but I have no axe to grind about Kpop. I judged the article the way I found it, nothing more, nothing less. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.  JudgeRM   (talk to me)  18:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  JudgeRM   (talk to me)  18:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Ignoring the massive dispute above, it seems to me like this would be being deleted on a technicality. All of YG Entertainment's groups seem to be very prominent and so even if this is marginally a case of TOOSOON, I feel like deleting this wouldn't really be beneficial as they're clearly going to be very much notable and already seem to be subject to hype. I also feel like systematic bias could well play a part here - has anyone fully explored Korean language sources? Many of the disputed sources are published in English. KaisaL (talk) 20:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article needs a lot of work (sites like Allkpop are not reliable), but I don't think it should be deleted. Black Pink's songs are charting well on real-time charts which will translate to charting on the Gaon Digital Chart. Their two music videos have over 7 million views on Naver TV Cast and YouTube. Here are more English-language reliable sources:, , , . If it's WP:TOOSOON, the page should be redirected back to YG Entertainment, not deleted. Random86 (talk) 20:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So, if I read you correct you say: "yes, it is promo and advertising but still we should keep it as it will make the notability threshold in time"? <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * To me it sounds more along the lines of the article doesnt contain a promotional tone it needs more work and they have reached 20 mil views in 4 days and have tv performences recorded and set to air on the 14th.And has already made the notability threshhold.But to each their own. Junkoo (talk) 20:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The group and quite famous even though it has been a short time career, this and the official website Black Pink site of the group in YG.--Little Fairy (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Keep: Per arguments of . Tibbydibby (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Creation of the page may have been rushed but the group's significance and notability is apparent post-debut. We have Wikipedia pages for artists who struggle to reach a million YouTube views for a video and never chart anywhere close to the upper top of a chart. Blackpink videos have reached more than 9 million as of this post, scanned enough to reach number 2 on iTunes US album chart, indicating people's interest and the group's influence. They just started out so their notability maybe wobbling off the radar for some. But if we delete the page for that reason, it is very likely that we would have to create it again eventually if the current statistics indicate anything. Josh (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Not to my liking (the article is still plain promo) but I withdraw my nomination. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 07:55, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You have not quoted any part of the article to provide a reason as to why its promotional but thank you for withdrawing.Junkoo (talk) 11:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Marketeers never recognize advertising and promo, is my experience... <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well thats your experience all im seeing is a lack of an exampleJunkoo (talk) 16:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


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