Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black women filmmakers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that we should cover this topic; whether as a list and/or an article is for editors to discuss and come to a consensus to on the talk page.  Sandstein  08:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Black women filmmakers

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This article is very well written, but it's simply not encyclopedic. It has far too many opinions stated as fact and its own original conclusions based on other research, which amounts to original research. I would be in favor of creating a list of Black women filmmakers. JDDJS (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 00:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 00:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 00:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as a notable topic. There are two full-fledged books mentioned in the article: Black Women Film & Video Artists and Women Filmmakers of the African & Asian Diaspora. Both The New York Times and The New Yorker write about a film series featuring black women directors here and here. This article has a "By the numbers" section about this topic. There is a book called Women Filmmakers: Refocusing that has results about black women. Jump Cut has an article here... I'm honestly tripping over these sources. Fine if the article needs clean-up, but the topic is definitely notable here. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 01:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep- maybe it does need some work, but it is better than just a list. It provides some background on the topic.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Move page to List of Black Women Filmmakers. Ernestchuajiasheng (talk) 10:34, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as is a notable subject as shown above but the original research needs to be removed Atlantic306 (talk) 18:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Erik. Dozens more sources could be found easily that establish the notability of black female filmmakers as a group. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:33, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment the notability discussions here aren't really useful; I think everyone agrees that this topic has been discussed in the media. The question is whether an encyclopedic article can be written on this, or whether it should be a list article instead. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 21:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is exactly my point. Currently, the article is not encyclopedic and has far too much original research and is not at all neutral. The question should be if the article can be rewritten in a way that could avoid these issues. Personally, I do not think so. JDDJS (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Whether the subject, which is clearly notable, is better suited to a list or an article is a discussion that belongs on the article's talk page. AfD is not cleanup. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What I'm proposing isn't clean up. It's completely deleting the current article and then creating a new article titled List of Black women filmmakers. JDDJS (talk) 03:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What you're proposing is clean-up. We already have a list of black female filmmakers. You'd like to delete it and create a new one from scratch. Your rationale was that the subject isn't encyclopedic. That's clearly not true. Now what's your rationale for deletion? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.